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Sunday, October 22, 2006
public school dress codes....
part of the solution or part of the problem?
are reasonably priced uniforms the answer?
26 comments:
Anonymous
said...
It is up to the parents to ensure their children get an education. Additionally, the students must learn the importance of an education and they must also want to obtain one. A dress code does not provide an education.
If a student wants an education, they will, and parents will, ensure they dress appropriately while attending class. Therefore, the school system only needs to define “dressing appropriately”. Example; how clothes will be worn and what is not authorized. Keep it simple and punish offenders by extra work reasearching similar topics of why the requirements exist. Once in a while all the offenders could give a teaching lecture to all the students. This may be considered punishment but it is also educating students in reasearch, speech prep, and public speaking.
I say do away with a dress code of uniforms and teach the students how to dress for a function they are attending. That function is school.
Probably in minority here, but I think its been more positive than negative. No problem opening it up to something like allowing polo/button up shirts of any color as long as collared, i.e. no "t-shirts," and limit logo/print to small mfr logos. I'm sure lots of folks would like to see jeans allowed. If everyone could agree on what style jeans should be allowed that would be OK. But, I think there would be too many parents/students wanting their specific style allowed.
Gary's idea of a class on dressing to fit the occasion would be good idea.
Gary m, your advice would have been perfect in 1964 -- but America has come along way since then. Without a dress code at schools there is no telling what young people would end up wearing.
wdm, Apparently you didn't get the message. What difference does it make if it's 1964 or 2006? They don't need a dress code, they just need to know what not to wear.
If parents can't understand and control and supply appropriate dress for their kids then let them home school. Then their kids can dress any way they want. School is a place for learning, not a fashion show. Maybe a few episodes of "Leave it to Beaver" can show the parents and the kids how to dress for school.
That's one of the problems we have today. Parents allow their kids to control them rather than the other way around.
There is nothing wrong with jeans or slacks. Shoes can be lace-up or slip on dress, socks manditory, shirts must have a collar and be tucked in to the pants. Pants must be worn with a belt and worn around the waist. No hats or sunglasses. Hair will be neat, trimmed, and well groomed.
Gary M, Would these "jeans" be acceptable at school under your rules?
http://www.blackrose.co.uk/index.php?leaf=N48I (I'm not sure if this link will work and since there's no edit after a publish, I've got my fingers crossed!)
BTW...I think you hit nail on head about who controls who! That's a big problem and why I believe the dress code is needed.
Well researched, one of the ideas behind the benefits of a dress code is that students tend to focus more on studies than what others are or are not wearing.
OK, I offered an opinion. I don't think we need uniforms in school. In fact, I think it provides nothing toward education. However, my kids are grown and out of school. Therefore, I shouldn't have an opinion. It should be for those people trying to get an education for their kids currently enroled in school. You all deciede what you want your kids to wear.
PS brittl - those were not my rules. They were just some brainstormming suggestions to be quick.
i don't care what kind of cloths, as long as they aren't crotch grabbing ass showing pants.as for girls, come on fathers take a look at what your little girl is wearing it's that simple.
Having just walked my daughter to her classroom, I saw enough variations on the uniform dress code to say there are plenty of ways to comply. It's a very forgiving policy. When they grow up they can then choose but until then I say it works.
if a parent doesn't know what is acceptable or not he or she needs mental help. people you can't be that stupid. clothing that covers a girl properly is acceptable period. for boys pants that stay up and doesn't expose your underwear is acceptable period. this is just stupid. parents you are in control. use your authotity period. thats over, my god people
Gary M, Hope my question didn't come across as insinuating your opinion isn't respected. If it did, I apologize.
I was trying to illustrate my point that what you and I view as "acceptable" jeans might not be same as everyone else. IMO, jeans are an item where there is too much variation in style.
if the jeans are to tight the answer is no. if they have holes in them the answer is no. if they fall down and your underwear shows then no. i hope this solves the jean question. come on parents this isn't hard
I have no problem with dress codes. They exist either officially or unofficially in just about every occupation and so one needs to get use to them. Uniforms are,however, another story. They are the fashion eqivalent of zero tolerance policies that allow administrators to look tough but really absolve them of making difficult decisions.
I don't have a problem with a dress code. Most places you attend these days have a dress code. But I do have a problem with a school UNIFORM, and that is what Lamar is and has been promoting. A polo is a polo no matter what color it is and the same with pants. If I wanted a school to tell me my daughter has to wear a uniform, I would be paying a private school for that. The school could, if they wanted to, allow other types of clothing as long as they were worn appropriately by the student. I challenge any of you to put on a winter jacket then tuck it into your pants and wear it like that. See how uncomfortable that is and this is how your child has to wear a winter jacket at school.
Dress codes are a great idea. uniforms...not so much. some families have a hard enough time buying street clothes and now they have to spend more on uniforms.
I am admittedly ill informed on the situation, but have to believe that there is no way that a rational adult would enforce a dress code regulation that makes kids tuck in winter jackets.
If the teachers and school admninistrators can't use their better judgement to decide the appropriateness of a student's clothes, we need new teachers and administrators, not a new dress code or uniforms. This really shouldn't be a topic of national debate. How hard is it for a teacher to read a kid's shirt, decide whether the shirt is appropriate or not, and act accordingly. By the second week of school, any student who does not know where the teacher stands on appropriate dress, should be expelled because, due to their lack of reasoning skills, they are unemployable and the tax payers are wasting money and will never benefit from the student's assumed role in society after they drop out in the 10th grade. Different jobs have different dress codes. It takes a competant person about a half day to learn what is and isn't appropriate. I say highschool is a great time for the students learn this type of ultra-complex deductive reasoning, and the teachers learn how to make decisions without referring to a book of codes and/or calling for legislative action.
I would sign in with my login name, but I forgot the password. This blog is from Pennie(who is blog ignorant :-)
I was for the school uniforms. However, the entire concept was not implemented properly. There was and is different standards for each school. The only fair way to insure that everyone is "in code" would be to have the schools consign with a company at a decent price and have all students purchase their clothes through the vendor. I think that may be a stretch because of the logistics and community apathy for dress code. We made too many allowance and changed our minds too much about what was appropriate.
As a former teacher in Lamar, I found that the board put the teachers on the front line to enforce the code. Then when someone complained, we were not backed up by central office. Teachers have enough to deal with... We can't ask our students to follow our rules if we don't even understand them ourselves as an educational body. I say since it was implemented poorly that the code should be abolished. Start with a fresh code and stick to it and be very clear and consistent with students and parents. Also, back up the teachers!!!!
As a teacher, my own child missed school one day because I was so busy being a teacher, I neglected to get his clothes washed. Where I teach now there is no uniform code. What few infractions we have, we deal with. My life is so much better as a teacher and parent because I am not stressing over clothes. It is nice to teach and not police!!!!!!!!
WOW... All you have to do is go to a Lamar Football game and see whats in store if we do away with the dress code.
Walk the halls of the school and see, the dress code isnt that bad. It seems to be a case of "You cant tell me what to do" mentality. Wait until they get into the real world, unless there goals are low, they will work with in the boundries given.
Why will it take until January to decide on the dress code? My children receive new clothes as part of their Christmas. If the dress code is going to be changed it would be a big help to let us know before Christmas. I like the way the students are made to dress except for the colors of the shirts. I have never understood why they were allowed only four colors.
My son actually got sent home on picture day for wearing a nice button down collar shirt. I had always been under the assumption that it was ok to dress up....guess i assumed wrong. This just goes to show how stupid people can be. I think people loose sight of common sense. The teachers definitely need to focus time on teaching, which is apparent from the test scores in Lamar County. The is noting wrong with a dress code but common sense needs to be used. God did give everyone a brain for a reason. Common sense tell you that it might be difficult to tuck in a winter jacket. It has also turned into an expense for the parents that comply and buy the uniforms. I have to buy each of my children two sets of clothes. One for school and one for normal life....
If students (and adults) dressed as they did in the 50's this discussion wouldn't be happening! In my opinion the "Dress Code" should be about what is appropriate to wear rather than a "restictive dress code" of color, type of pants and shirts. Somewhere along the way the "POINT" has been missed but I do understand that these days we have to worry about weapons being brought into the school by the students and they are easily concealed by the "fasions" worn by the teenagers these days and unfortunately so many parents allow it to happen. This has forced schools to take "a preventive action stand" on things such as appropriate attire for students and it should not even be an issue if parents were fulfilling their responsibility of being a PARENT. Maybe the parents should be re-educated so they can learn how to say "NO - I'M NOT SPENDING MY HARD EARNED MONEY ON THOSE DISGUSTING CLOTHES AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WEAR THEM".
26 comments:
It is up to the parents to ensure their children get an education. Additionally, the students must learn the importance of an education and they must also want to obtain one. A dress code does not provide an education.
If a student wants an education, they will, and parents will, ensure they dress appropriately while attending class. Therefore, the school system only needs to define “dressing appropriately”. Example; how clothes will be worn and what is not authorized. Keep it simple and punish offenders by extra work reasearching similar topics of why the requirements exist. Once in a while all the offenders could give a teaching lecture to all the students. This may be considered punishment but it is also educating students in reasearch, speech prep, and public speaking.
I say do away with a dress code of uniforms and teach the students how to dress for a function they are attending. That function is school.
Probably in minority here, but I think its been more positive than negative. No problem opening it up to something like allowing polo/button up shirts of any color as long as collared, i.e. no "t-shirts," and limit logo/print to small mfr logos. I'm sure lots of folks would like to see jeans allowed. If everyone could agree on what style jeans should be allowed that would be OK. But, I think there would be too many parents/students wanting their specific style allowed.
Gary's idea of a class on dressing to fit the occasion would be good idea.
Gary m, your advice would have been perfect in 1964 -- but America has come along way since then. Without a dress code at schools there is no telling what young people would end up wearing.
wdm,
Apparently you didn't get the message. What difference does it make if it's 1964 or 2006? They don't need a dress code, they just need to know what not to wear.
If parents can't understand and control and supply appropriate dress for their kids then let them home school. Then their kids can dress any way they want. School is a place for learning, not a fashion show. Maybe a few episodes of "Leave it to Beaver" can show the parents and the kids how to dress for school.
That's one of the problems we have today. Parents allow their kids to control them rather than the other way around.
There is nothing wrong with jeans or slacks. Shoes can be lace-up or slip on dress, socks manditory, shirts must have a collar and be tucked in to the pants. Pants must be worn with a belt and worn around the waist. No hats or sunglasses. Hair will be neat, trimmed, and well groomed.
Gary M,
Would these "jeans" be acceptable at school under your rules?
http://www.blackrose.co.uk/index.php?leaf=N48I
(I'm not sure if this link will work and since there's no edit after a publish, I've got my fingers crossed!)
BTW...I think you hit nail on head about who controls who! That's a big problem and why I believe the dress code is needed.
Looks like link didn't work. You'll have to cut/paste the URL into a browser window. Sorry...
Well researched, one of the ideas behind the benefits of a dress code is that students tend to focus more on studies than what others are or are not wearing.
OK, I offered an opinion. I don't think we need uniforms in school. In fact, I think it provides nothing toward education. However, my kids are grown and out of school. Therefore, I shouldn't have an opinion. It should be for those people trying to get an education for their kids currently enroled in school. You all deciede what you want your kids to wear.
PS brittl - those were not my rules. They were just some brainstormming suggestions to be quick.
i don't care what kind of cloths, as long as they aren't crotch grabbing ass showing pants.as for girls, come on fathers take a look at what your little girl is wearing it's that simple.
Having just walked my daughter to her classroom, I saw enough variations on the uniform dress code to say there are plenty of ways to comply. It's a very forgiving policy. When they grow up they can then choose but until then I say it works.
at what age are they considered old enough to choose
if a parent doesn't know what is acceptable or not he or she needs mental help. people you can't be that stupid. clothing that covers a girl properly is acceptable period. for boys pants that stay up and doesn't expose your underwear is acceptable period. this is just stupid. parents you are in control. use your authotity period. thats over, my god people
Gary M,
Hope my question didn't come across as insinuating your opinion isn't respected. If it did, I apologize.
I was trying to illustrate my point that what you and I view as "acceptable" jeans might not be same as everyone else. IMO, jeans are an item where there is too much variation in style.
if the jeans are to tight the answer is no. if they have holes in them the answer is no. if they fall down and your underwear shows then no. i hope this solves the jean question. come on parents this isn't hard
brittl -
It didn't. I was bowing out gracefully. My kids are not in school so I guess this subject is better left to those in the thick of the battle.
I have no problem with dress codes. They exist either officially or unofficially in just about every occupation and so one needs to get use to them. Uniforms are,however, another story. They are the fashion eqivalent of zero tolerance policies that allow administrators to look tough but really absolve them of making difficult decisions.
I don't have a problem with a dress code. Most places you attend these days have a dress code. But I do have a problem with a school UNIFORM, and that is what Lamar is and has been promoting. A polo is a polo no matter what color it is and the same with pants.
If I wanted a school to tell me my daughter has to wear a uniform, I would be paying a private school for that.
The school could, if they wanted to, allow other types of clothing as long as they were worn appropriately by the student.
I challenge any of you to put on a winter jacket then tuck it into your pants and wear it like that. See how uncomfortable that is and this is how your child has to wear a winter jacket at school.
Dress codes are a great idea. uniforms...not so much. some families have a hard enough time buying street clothes and now they have to spend more on uniforms.
I am admittedly ill informed on the situation, but have to believe that there is no way that a rational adult would enforce a dress code regulation that makes kids tuck in winter jackets.
If the teachers and school admninistrators can't use their better judgement to decide the appropriateness of a student's clothes, we need new teachers and administrators, not a new dress code or uniforms. This really shouldn't be a topic of national debate. How hard is it for a teacher to read a kid's shirt, decide whether the shirt is appropriate or not, and act accordingly. By the second week of school, any student who does not know where the teacher stands on appropriate dress, should be expelled because, due to their lack of reasoning skills, they are unemployable and the tax payers are wasting money and will never benefit from the student's assumed role in society after they drop out in the 10th grade. Different jobs have different dress codes. It takes a competant person about a half day to learn what is and isn't appropriate. I say highschool is a great time for the students learn this type of ultra-complex deductive reasoning, and the teachers learn how to make decisions without referring to a book of codes and/or calling for legislative action.
Why all the censorship?
I would sign in with my login name, but I forgot the password. This blog is from Pennie(who is blog ignorant :-)
I was for the school uniforms. However, the entire concept was not implemented properly. There was and is different standards for each school. The only fair way to insure that everyone is "in code" would be to have the schools consign with a company at a decent price and have all students purchase their clothes through the vendor. I think that may be a stretch because of the logistics and community apathy for dress code. We made too many allowance and changed our minds too much about what was appropriate.
As a former teacher in Lamar, I found that the board put the teachers on the front line to enforce the code. Then when someone complained, we were not backed up by central office. Teachers have enough to deal with... We can't ask our students to follow our rules if we don't even understand them ourselves as an educational body. I say since it was implemented poorly that the code should be abolished. Start with a fresh code and stick to it and be very clear and consistent with students and parents. Also, back up the teachers!!!!
As a teacher, my own child missed school one day because I was so busy being a teacher, I neglected to get his clothes washed. Where I teach now there is no uniform code. What few infractions we have, we deal with. My life is so much better as a teacher and parent because I am not stressing over clothes. It is nice to teach and not police!!!!!!!!
WOW... All you have to do is go to a Lamar Football game and see whats in store if we do away with the dress code.
Walk the halls of the school and see, the dress code isnt that bad. It seems to be a case of "You cant tell me what to do" mentality. Wait until they get into the real world, unless there goals are low, they will work with in the boundries given.
Why will it take until January to decide on the dress code? My children receive new clothes as part of their Christmas. If the dress code is going to be changed it would be a big help to let us know before Christmas. I like the way the students are made to dress except for the colors of the shirts. I have never understood why they were allowed only four colors.
My son actually got sent home on picture day for wearing a nice button down collar shirt. I had always been under the assumption that it was ok to dress up....guess i assumed wrong. This just goes to show how stupid people can be. I think people loose sight of common sense. The teachers definitely need to focus time on teaching, which is apparent from the test scores in Lamar County. The is noting wrong with a dress code but common sense needs to be used. God did give everyone a brain for a reason. Common sense tell you that it might be difficult to tuck in a winter jacket. It has also turned into an expense for the parents that comply and buy the uniforms. I have to buy each of my children two sets of clothes. One for school and one for normal life....
If students (and adults) dressed as they did in the 50's this discussion wouldn't be happening! In my opinion the "Dress Code" should be about what is appropriate to wear rather than a "restictive dress code" of color, type of pants and shirts. Somewhere along the way the "POINT" has been missed but I do understand that these days we have to worry about weapons being brought into the school by the students and they are easily concealed by the "fasions" worn by the teenagers these days and unfortunately so many parents allow it to happen. This has forced schools to take "a preventive action stand" on things such as appropriate attire for students and it should not even be an issue if parents were fulfilling their responsibility of being a PARENT. Maybe the parents should be re-educated so they can learn how to say "NO - I'M NOT SPENDING MY HARD EARNED MONEY ON THOSE DISGUSTING CLOTHES AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WEAR THEM".
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