on the campaign trail.
john mccain apologized profusely yesterday after a talk show host warming up the crowd at one of his appearances referred to obama's middle name multiple times and called him a "hack, chicago-style politician".
if you have been under a rock somewhere, obama's middle name is hussein.
Wednesday, February 27, 2008
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Not when it is used to try and confuse people. Especially the ignorant ones who hear the name and turn around to say he his a Muslim terrorist
Yes it's fair game. I'm surprised the opposing candidates haven't used it and that McCain apologized when someone else did. Ridiculous.
Has anyone else read the Left Behind series. Are you scared?
This man is trying to become President of The United States of America, aka, "Leader Of The Free World".
If he can't stand up to criticism of his name, he is applying for the wrong job.
If someone has decided not to vote for him because of his middle name- tough. In America we have the right to dislike anyone for any reason we feel, we are free- supposedly.
I dislike him because of his Marxist stance on almost everything. That is when he actually takes a stance on an issue.
I also dislike him based on his preferred church - Trinity United Church of Christ.
They are "unashamedly black" and put Africa and the black community first before any other earthly things.
Since faith is an overwhelming part of any decision made by a man who has faith, I will have to assume that his decisions will not be in accordance with my faith of being unashamedly American and putting the United States and the whole body of it's people before any other earthly things.
All in all he is full of socialist/Marxist shite, also my opinion- unashamedly.
Jarad B.
It's politics! Everything is fair game. I also agree with the last post. Why wont obama take a stance on something. How can we vote for someone who believes Americas only problem is health care? Obama should have waited a few years before running for president. He needs a little more experience under his belt. Or maybe not, most people are voting for him because he is half black. No one seem's to care about is political stance.
5:12 If someone is voting for him, I'd say that they are already confused. Obama is a down right socialist.
I just wonder, Do you all consider countries such as England, Ireland, France, or Scotland to be socialist countries. They all have a better economy than us and guess what they already have more than what obama wants. Of course non of you will be happy until the first and the ninth amendment to the constitution are gone will you
republicans have to learn that they may be on the right track, but if they sit still they will be run over......
To Anon 9:30 AM,
I do not know about England or Scotland but Frances economy is horrible. Ireland's economy is doing well because they did a whole lot to lower taxes. (Democrats don't get that.)
Concerning the 1st amendment: no one wants to take away free speech.
Concerning the 9th: you should read that in light of the 10th amendment which has been totally trampled by Democrats like FDR. The 10th amendment basically says that if a power is not granted to the Federal government by the Constitution then it is left to the states and the people.
But hey, why are we bringing out the Constitution any way? No one really looks at it any more. Its ashame that once one graduates from High School that they do not know it backwards and forwards. I wonder why? An ignorant populace is very easy to control - that's why.
Let's see.
We ignored Cuba for many years and they still have a better medical system than us. The French and Engish and Australians do alo, as well as those in New Zealand, Canada, and other places.
We freely deal with Communist China, and as a matter of fact our state of Georgia is working hard to fund a Communist Chinese business in this community that will replace jobs elsewhere held by fellow Americans. We don't even inspect or control the poisions they put in our toys, food, or medicine.
Carter's and a dozen other businesses closed largely because of NAFTA, and we wind up paying many of the people who used to work there welfare or other aid.
What jobs we have around here for uneducated labor are taken by illegal Mexicans using false Social Secuity numbers. The scheme they have is to declare a half-dozen dependents so they don't have taxes taken out, and the if they get sick they get free health care. Some of them work that scheme and make $15 an hour, don't pay tax, get free medical, and get free school.
Then what we do is blame the Democrats for the problems, despite the fact nearly all of the bad deals were made by Republicans and supported by Republicans. Clinton pushed NAFTA, but Bush and others helped fuel the push.
We have a mortgage crisis because no one watched the banking industry, and the person Bush hired to watch the banks was a big contributor to his re-election coffers. He also was deeply involved in the S and L crisis years ago!!
Now all of a sudden with the dollar falling through the floor, jobs vanishing, banking collapsing from too much credit, our schools doing worse compared to other countries, a war in the wrong country, and the wheels coming off the economy we think the best course is to do more of the same.
You all need to quit smoking crack ane get into rehab!!
If we don't do something different our country will meltdown. It is almost at the point of being unfixable.
Anon 11:16 AM,
You posted some interesting points. One thing that stood out was your comment:
"If we don't do something different our country will meltdown. It is almost at the point of being unfixable."
You are absolutely 100% correct. We need to do a lot different. Like Ronald Reagan said: government is not the solution to the problem, it is the problem.
Our Federal government (and even the State governments) were designed by the Constitution to be Watch Dogs that maintain order and regulate commerce. Our governments were never ever meant to be Milk Cows where anyone from anywhere can plug up to a teet and begin the process of milking it dry.
If it were not for all the collective socialism that already exists in our country, then many of the problems that you mentioned would be just mere hickups.
The banking crisis is a joke. I have no pitty for the unwise, undisciplined folks who took out too much debt. I also have no pitty for the banks who lent them the money. Both parties need to suffer. In fact, it is healthy for our economy if they do. They would learn their lessons.
If the government stays out of it. Entrepreneurial types will rise up and fix it by working short sells and or buying people out.
A bigger problem I would say is our Federal Reserve system. I believe the free market should drive the value of our dollar.
Our dollar is falling only because the Federal Reserve keeps making more dollars!
The solution is to get back the Constitution and radically trim the size of the Federal government, abolish the Federal Reserve and build the dadgum wall between us and Mexico.
If an illegal alien knew that he would leave the hospital with a debt that had to be paid back, he would be less likely to come here in the first place.
Canada has better health care? Since when is waitng 2-3 months to see a Doc better? Ever try to go to the hospital? Have fun with that!
And we blame the President? I tought we had a Democratic run House? Granted there's no perfect President, but to place ALL the blame on Government is absurd. Since when is getting into personal debt the Goverments problem? Wasnt NAFTA signed by Clinton also? Cuba has a better healthcare you say yet people DIE trying to get out of that place. And we are supposed to NOT work harder to better our lives but to put the blame ALL on the shoulders of the President?
Typical Democrat rubbish, blame others! It takes a village... hows that working out?
the most importnt issue that any of us has and the nation has, is that we are being ruled by a gng of immoral war criminals......
That doesn't wash.
You all need to look at the DATES the bad things happened. The Republicans were mostly in charge when all the crap happened, although the Democrats are no angels either.
As for Canada, I wait two months HERE to see a doctor even when it is somewhat of an emergency. Only my GP sees me faster, and people in Canada actually DON'T wait as long as we do when it is an emergency!!
Stop repeating lies that are easily disproven. Face the facts, our country is in big trouble and we all need to stop this stupid "Republicans are great" or "Democrats are bad" bullcrap. They are all screwing us. Until we start thinking for ourselves they will keep ruining our country.
It takes an idiot to ruin a village.
Bush has ruined our village.
the republicans think obama is crazy for saying he would go and talk to the cuba communist leader.....yet they think it is o. k. for bush to go to china and speak with that communist leader
anon 11:16, i'v read a lot of rubbish on this blog page but your statement is total BULL SH#$,i have been to every country you speek of in your list of lies.every one of them are far behind the states in health care.its brain dead backwoods hicks like yourself that talk of issues you know nothing of.plaese do us all a favor and go back to your fellow inbread troll's and let those of us in society that are not in a dream world be.
anon 11:16 says "Carter's and a dozen other businesses closed largely because of NAFTA, and we wind up paying many of the people who used to work there welfare or other aid." that is not the case at all, the reason carters closed was because of the LAZY BUMS that thought they should be given a job no matter how sorry they were.how do i know this,BECAUSE a realitive of mine is the person who decided to close the building full of lazy bums,with the work ethic of the people of lamar county and the surounding areas the only industry that will every locate here will be basic bottom of the line manual labor jobs--if that!!
So people like to quote Regan... Here's one... "When we forget that we are one nation under God, then we become one nation gone under" Makes you appreciate the vision he had.
Lot's of wild statements, no facts.
Show data anywhere that shows health care in this country for middle class people is better than those in others.
Everything documented says otherwise.
As for Carters, it's easy to make up a big story about a relative closing the plant because people were lazy. The truth is they shifted the manufacturing out of country.
It does not take very much time or very much brainpower to examine the exit of manufacturing from the USA. The root cause is we embrace bad trade deals like NAFTA and the deals with the Communist Chinese. They don't have to meet labor standards, pollution standards, or quality standards and we have no tariffs to offset the difference in standards.
I've managed very large companies and I can tell you first hand what is said in meetings. We not only saved significant money in labor cost by moving offshore, we got tax breaks for doing it!
We never had a problem with production rates. There just was no reason to pay $50 labor for a unit's labor cost (three hours time)when we could pay some Mexican $5 or Chinese worker $2 for the same labor. The actual assembly time increased when we counted reworks, but the labor is so cheap we saved significant money and got a tax break for helping Mexico.
Anyone who actually works in manufacturing will tell you the same thing.
Fools like you that talk and vote without knowing are the root cause America is dying.
Somebody explain why Obama will not salute the American Flag or plege on the Bible.
I wouldn't want a president that wouldn't salute to his own flag. Why would you?
republican politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it wrong, and applying the wrong remedies
like christianity, alot of bad things get done in the name of conservatism.....no child left behind---gives federal control over states......prescription drug plan---extends federal control over indivuals.....ear marks---not conservative.....mccain/feingold----limits free speech....warrentless wiretapping---not conservative,,,,amnesty for illegals---not conservatine...
I think we all need to get rid of all repubics and democraps. They all are full of it.
4:20PM repeated the silly false rumor:
Somebody explain why Obama will not salute the American Flag or plege on the Bible.>>
You idiot. Why do you repeat things that are not factual?
Obama was sworn in with a bible, and uses the regular King James bible.
You can look at factcheck.org and see old videos. Dick Chaney himself held the bible while Obama was sworn in to congress.
As for the plege, wrong again dumbo. There are dozens of videos showing Obama not only saluting the flag but leading the pledge of allegence!!!
It's time for everyone to stop spewing the paranoid false lies that people put out to slander people. It's so easy to find the truth it has to be pure unvarnished stupidity or intentional lies behind crap like you spewed.
Grow up and tell the truth, or if you are too stupid or lazy to look things up then just keep quiet and look pretty.
For the less educated among us...
past this link in your browsers.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html
when they can't rebuke with proof they stoop to with the same old swift boat style repuplican lies.
they call themselves christians while being bold face liars and violating Gods commandments and teachings.
Anon 7:26,
Good idea. Here's a lil more:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/theyve_got_you_covered.html
This to me DOES NOT sound like a case of Republicans lying.
What the heck are you talking about?
I was talking about the slimeballs on this blog who think the silly stupid emails about Obama being
1.) Muslim
2.) Not saying the pledge
3.) Not swearing on a bible
are easily disproven.
The factcheck article you referenced has nothing to do with that. It simply points out the Universal Healthcare programs of both Hillary and Obama are really about the same, and neither will cover 100% of people.
Nothing new there.
Anyone who can read would already know that.
What about the lie of the century, perhaps of all time - GLOBAL WARMING?
Who should be held accountable for the indoctrination of school children on this fruitless issue.
I would also like to point out that the last majority Republican congress was not a majority of Conservatives. Republican does not always equal conservative, Democrat does not always equal Socialist or Liberal.
I would like to know why Obama isn't being labeled as a racist (since we love to throw this one around), at least a racial separatist.
His church openly supports racial separation through "black community first" initiatives.
How is this not being plastered on every news station across America?
What is his stance on the 2nd Amendment?
I've heard two different answers from HIS mouth.
How much will Universal Health Care cost the average American?
How much will it cost my "wealthy" employer?
How many jobs will be lost when we end the Bush tax cuts? The money has to come from somewhere doesn't it?
How do you tax oil companies for making too much money without them passing down the extra tax to the consumer through even higher prices? And if you get a rebate check for the amount of this extra tax (I think Obama has said this)wouldn't that end up being revenue neutral and a complete wash?
The problem I have with the Democratic Party is the complete lack of scrutiny they receive on key issues. They are allowed to make a completely empty statement and no one really busts them on it.
Hillary's campaign made comments about Obama's name and no one filled every news break with talk about apologies being necessary like they have done with Bill Cunningham. WHY NOT?
Air America is folding up the chairs and heading home because they were unable to debate their ideology over the airwaves with live callers chiming in with opposite views. DOES THIS PROVE A POINT?
Newt Gingrich has pleaded with America and the news stations to demand face to face, shoot from the hip debates from these so called leaders to no avail.
The Dems won't even debate on Fox News! WTF!! If you have real answers to real questions it doesn't matter who asks them, at least I thought.
What has the Democratic Congress done?
Where is the uproar over their inability to achieve a damn thing?
We can do the- Bush this and Bush that- game but he ain't runnin!
I see this as a life line for not being able to cope with the reality that the Democrats running are empty suits- and they have a little Commie Flag pinned to em!
Jarad B.
http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html
This is where I got the "black community first" statement.
It should be "commitment to the black community", I quoted it wrong from memory but I don't think it really changes anything.
This is racial separation.
sorry, I correct myself.
Jarad B.
Wow! I went to that web site you give out and it makes me sick. If they want to be a bunch of backwater racist thats their business, but why would you preach racisim in the name of Crist.And why would we want one of these people as our next president. I guess it is other racist voting for him.
So we even have fools here who think Global Warming is a false claim.
No wonder our country is in trouble. People quit looking at facts objectively and take polarized views they want to take.
They are probably the same people afraid of black cats, who live by filtered emotion rather than objective facts.
Global warming is real. Get used to it. The breathable atmosphere is only a few miles thick. What the heck do think will happen to it when we burn things at the rate we do for energy while removing the green plants that convert CO2 to oxygen?
The USA is the ONLY country that has a significant population thinking global warming is false, that we lead the world, that the Iraq is good, and that our health care system is good.
These distorted views come from clinging to the idea that we somehow are superior and that our leaders, like Bush in particular, are honest and doing what is right for us and the world.
The fact is Bush had a comittee look at global warming and issue a report, then (as with all things) his staff edited the results removing everything they didn't like. The Bush administration does that time and time again.
Bush is the true definition of a dictator or communist. He lies to the people he is supposed to be helping to manipulate them into doing what he wants.He wants two classes of people. His friends who rule (the party) and those who they take from.
This is why he visits communist China and makes bad deals for the USA while not dealing with Cuba.
I for one am sick of all the lies and the fleecing of the middle class by the liars in both partys, although Bush in particular is the biggest liar since Nixon and Agnew, and as dumb as a freaking rock.
Yet some fools still listen to him.
Global warming is supported both by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the top science advisers of 11 leading industrial nations, including the U.S. National Academy of Sciences.
The IPCC is a UN organization which connects experts from around the world to study climate change, and includes the work of hundreds of contributors for its reports. In a report released in 2001, stated that the earth has warmed 0.6 degrees Celsius (1.1 degrees Fahrenheit) during the 20th century and that there was "new and stronger evidence" that human activity was the cause.
The U.S. National Academy of Sciences is a society of scholars chartered by Congress in 1863 to advise the government. In 2001 the NAS, in a report requested by the Bush White House, said:
National Academy of Sciences, 2001: Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise.
In June 2005, the science academies of 11 leading industrial nations (including the NAS) issued a joint statement urging prompt action on climate change:
Joint Statement, 2005: There is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring ... It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities.
Of course some people in Barnesville, just like our esteemed brilliant president George W. Bush, are smarter than scientists who spend their lives working in this field.
When people listen to the rhetoric released by a president is stupid enough to go into Iraq to fight some terrorist that is hiding in Pakistan and Afghanistan, dumb enough to think people should just be allowed to pour across the border but we are secure from terror because of his silly war, ignorant enough to think we are not in a recession or that giving a bunch of people $600 will correct the loss of jobs and high energy prices, and foolish enough to think talking to Cuba or Iraq is harmful but sending Communist China billions of dollars and borrowing money from them is good for America, we are in trouble.
There should be an IQ test on every voting machine.
Anon 8:12,
Unfortunately, many people with High IQs can be deceived too. The ice caps on Mars are melting. Are you going to tell us that man is causing that?
In fact, a very recent study is showing that the ice caps in Anartica are getting thicker.
You talk about the United Nations as if they are some real authority or something. The UN is the one who sponsored these studies. That makes the studies themselves biased. The UN is looking for a reason to exist and a way to have an excuse to regulate something in the world.
Scientist are divided on this issue entirely. These are some of the different camps:
1. There is global warming and it is man made.
2. There is global warming and it is a solar phenomenon.
3. Global warming is not happening at all.
Where are the rises in sea level? The sea level is not rising.
My 2 or 3 cents on the issue. There's really so much more to say though.
i would like to see the federal government stay out of health care.......then see each indiviual state provide complete healthcare......would like to see every state except ga, do that.....then see if our population increased or if there would be alot of people going to other states....just like retires going to state with no state income tax.......would be interesting to see if big businesses would move to ga, where they would have to pay for insurance or if they would move to another state where their employees would have free healthcare......another experiment would be for a single state, lets just pick georgia, set up a fairtax plan and eliminate all state and federal tax,,,,then see after 5 years if we have had a increase or decrease in population.......we sure as heck wouldnt have any retired people moving here....and wouldnt have any conventions here....and wouldnt have any tourism here....
and as far as gobal warming,,,,,it doesnt matter that 90% of the experts say its a problem......the only way that the white south is going to believe it, is for boortz, limbaugh, and fox news to say it.....they dont believe the experts, just the right wing talking heads...
To: Anonymous 7:22 PM
Youd didn't have to call me names you jerk!
I asked a question. I didn't say it was true.
Thanks for the info. jerk!
About gobal warming.
Prove it and I might agree. If you can't, shut up!
None of you are scientist, so I will have to take what you say as a grain of salt.
Why are we talking about Obama? He won't win.
i agree that obama is unelectable, and so is any other democract....they may get popular vote but cant win the electoral votes....the dems would have to win minn., iowa, ohio, and missouri, in order to win.....if mccain wins just one of those states, he is president......only question is who is his v.p......most liberals are o k with mccain, they just dont want a karl rove picked vice president like cheney......of the 3 governors that are on his short list( minn., s.carolina, and fla.) the one that would please most liberals is charlie crist.....he is the most popular governor in the nation, and the most popular gov. in fla. history......and his sexuality should not be a factor with getting liberals and indep. votes.....and we know the right aint gonna vote for obama......the worst choice for the liberals for v p. would be haley baubar from mississippi
liberleft,
From other posts of yours, you and I probably don't see eye-to-eye on a lot politically. However, I agree with you a lot on your last one. I don't want to see socialized medicine at the federal level at all either. I don't want to see it at the state level; but within the bounds of the US Constitution, if a state wants to do it, I think that it would be ok. I wouldn't want to see it though, at that level because I think that it distorts the free market and actually makes health care more expensive for everyone in the long run.
Coming back to your comment though, about the states doing things differently. That in a way is part of the founders intent. Each state should be its on little experiment that the others can learn from.
Right now, its hard for states to step up and do things with the Federal Government being so overbearing.
liberleft,
As it is, us Republicans are going to have to hold our noses and vote for McCain. We don't like where he sits in the political spectrum at all. (But he does have a pretty good pro-life record) I would think that he would have to pick someone both just as Evangelical as Huckabee and very conservative economically.
so it's more important to pick someone based on pro life and religion for managing the country than it is to look at his qualifications. is that right?
some of the biggest crooks ive seen hide behind god and church.
A Republican surely can't win with the shambles Bush made of the country, so you all better just pick the best Democrat. The Republicans are history for at least four years.
Anon 10:37 am,
That's not the case. We were talking about how to get McCain elected. Not running the country. Most of the country believes that abortion is immoral because its the killing of human beings. Because of that, this philosophy has shifted into one of the political parties; and right now that is the Republican party.
The Republican party is 2 main camps in it. Social Conservatives and Fiscal Conservatives. These 2 camps are not mutually exclusive either - there is a lot of over lap.
McCain is not too conservative Fiscally or Socially. But he does have a good pro-life record, so that could give him so points for the social conservatives in the party. Even though James Dobson, a strong Evangelical Beacon, said that he would not vote for him.
What we are talking about is the Republican base and electing McCain.
Coincidently we are talking about Obama's middle name.....hence the title of the post.
But yeah, coming back to your point. We social conservatives want to see Roe v Wade overturned. It was a bad decision that made no sense. The judges were making things up from the bench. Roe v. Wade will be overturned, it is a matter of time.
I don't appreciate the IQ test comment or the references to me being dumb but I should have seen it coming considering the ability to post anonymously.
I'm not mad. I believe my opinion is made stronger every time someone gets upset over it being fact. The same hysterical behavior can be found in "End Time Prophecy" soap box preachers.
I believe it is nothing more than a pathway to socialism for the last remaining capitalist threat.
The Report From Iron Mountain, 1967, is far out there and more than likely nothing more than a work of Fiction. But the author's idea of creating mass hysteria with talks of pollution ending civilization and doing this by making people believe they are the enemy of the Earth, or self hatred for mankind, resulting in the nations combining efforts to prevent this and collapsing the greater nations standard of living seems to be the present goal of Global Warming. This was in 1967. Great imagination OR?
Whether this is fiction or not it sure has come true (to an extent, not the whole scenario as written).
Objective scientists are being hushed and ridiculed for their refusal to concede to the politically correct understanding of global temperature cause and effect. Debate on any issue always creates a better understanding of the topic, but not Global Warming. Why?
Jarad B.
Liberleft,
How is medical care going to be free? I don't understand that.
Jarad B.,
Well said!
rev run,
Exactly! Nothing is for free. Somebody is paying for it some how. I don't like the economic side effects of socialized medicine. I wish there was no government intervention whatsoever. Our already semi socialist system is causing the prices of medical services to rise.
It comes down to supply and demand. If the government is subsidizing that will increase the demand, then the price will naturally go up.
Right now, many poor people are already getting it for free via Peach Care or other government programs.
This in turn makes the price increase for the middle class (according to basic and accepted economic theory - supply and demand)
A poor nation like Cuba can afford healthcare for all. So can virtually all of the advanced nations of the world.
Very few nations except ours determine who can live and who will die strictly by their ability to pay for care. The very poor get some care for free, the very rich can afford the best care. The middle class, unless they have a job that provides full insurance, gets the shaft.
Even if you have insurance you can easily be bankrupted by a serious medical problem.
Odd that is allowed while at the same time some preach how abortion is wrong. By the way it's about 60% of the general population that favors abortion rights, not the minority.
It's very odd to me that we don't feel bad about killing people in Iraq or other countries, don't feel bad about people killing people in Europe, Africa, or Communist China, don't feel bad about killing people through lack of being able to afford medical care or through providers not paying for needed care, but we feel so strongly about unborn life even down to the point of protecting stem cells.
I guess for Republicans the only life that really matters is life before birth. Life after birth has little value.
Anon 3:16 PM,
You talk of Cuba having great health care. When Castro was having issues, he brought in doctors from out of their country.
You talk about other countries with "great health care". Somebody is paying for it. Their citizens are in the form of very HIGH taxes.
Health care is too expensive in this country because we already have several degrees of Socialized Medicine.
Its economics, supply and demand. You're talking about giving something for free to people who have no restraint. When they abuse the system, that creates more demand and then the price goes up.
If the government tries to put in price controls, the quality will go down.
We need to have a serious discussion about getting away from employer based health care. HSA's are a pretty good answer to this.
Again, someone is paying for the "free" health care. My argument is that it is not right to use the police power of the state to confiscate the fruits of someone's labor to pay for someone else's operation. That's called stealing.
Anon 3:16 PM,
When it comes to war and abortion there you have to look at one thing, and that is the motive or intent.
Abortion: A woman intends to kill her unborn baby with the help of a medical professional. The motive, no matter what you call it, is to cause the child to die and remove him or her from the mother's body.
War: To remove a tyrant from power. A tyrant who has proven that to keep his power he will kill large number of person's in horrible ways. Another justification for war is the need for resources. This goes back to 1000s of years ago. You have food that we need. You want trade with us, so we have to come and get it.....
An unfortunate side benefit to war is that innocents get killed. With the US military, that is not the intent. With a two-bit thug terrorist group, that is the intent.
Does that help?
I really should proofread before I hit submit. In my last post, I have 2 corrections:
"You have food that we need. You want trade with us, so we have to come and get it....."
should read:
"You have food that we need. You won't trade with us, so we have to come and get it....."
The next correction:
"An unfortunate side benefit to war is that..."
should read:
"An unfortunate side effect to war is that"
i didnt say i was for free healthcare......medicare is not free.....the people have been paying for it all their working days....its like a lay-a-way...then you have a monthly fee for the part b premium, and a fee for the rx plan....plus you have co pays and deductibles,,so its not free....the good part about medicare is that everyone over 65 can get it and can get to cover pre exsisting illiness and everyone in a certain county paids the same premium.......now , really, wouldnt it be great if all age groups could opt for this kind of coverage....and by insuring the younger people, it would reduce the cost........and of course, if a person didnt want to use this great option, he could buy the old fashion expensive, ever escalating, no pay for existing illiness, slow paying, get prior approval, type insurance.....
Most people in this country who think healthcare in other countries is bad probably do so because they never really talk in depth with people living in other countries.
I regularly speak to friends all over the world and they often wonder why we are all so strange about things.
They wonder why we believe people like the drug companies when they tell us how bad national healthcare would be.
I pay well over ten thousand dollars a year for health care, and I bet everyone else on here who isn't on welfare or social security pays the same or more either through an employer or their own policy. We really need to take this country back and get a government that acts in the interest of the USA.
It wouldn't cost a dime more for everyone to have a national policy, and at least then I'd get some of my tax money back that is paying for illegals and welfare people.
Some of the arguments on this blog lack common sense. A country is just like a giant household. All the members, for certain services, will somehow pay a certain amount. We can't possibly cut the overall amount of tax unless we stop spending money for services. For example we have to pay for the war in Iraq somehow. We have to pay for Afghanistan too.
We hardly have any inspectors for food, and other critical systems are in a shambles. I really don't see how our country, operating at record deficits, can cut taxes.
We should look at Bush's tax cuts. The tax breaks he gave are for people making a quarter million dollars a year or more. Recently we have also given tax breaks to American companies who invest offshore. It's all nonsense.
In the 1970's I worked for a large US corporation. Along with other companies we sued the Japanese for unfair trade and we won. Our own government never allowed us to collect the money or stopped the dumping below cost and we went broke.
It wasn't just the Democrats, the Republicans never allowed us to collect either. Our own government also failed to act on anti-trust violations. The DOJ would never act.
This is really why we lost one major manufacturing business. If you do an Internet search on "dumping consumer electronics lawsuit zenith motorola" you will probably find details.
When all of the household money is going offshore the people in the household get poorer. There is no way around that. When we spend money inside our house it all just circulates.
Universal healthcare, for the same amount of treatment, will cost those who have good policies less. We already, one way or another, are paying for the people who can't afford it. Either that or we are just letting them die.
It's the insurance companies, the drug companies, and medical associations that profit from the system we have that start all the nonsense rumors and most people just suck the rumors up without thinking.
We really need to think about a new government. This one has been broken a long time now.
you know those 3 stupid socialistic european countries that provide saftey nets for their citizens???? they are kicking our butts.....american people are swimming upstream against tyranny and stupidity.......george w. bush---proving the sayings "you can fool most of the people some of the time, and 19% of the people all the time...
How are the European Nations kicking our butts?
Frances unemployment is 7% or 8%.
Socialism is not the answer.
Its a burden. It keeps the middle class and the lower class from advancing.
Nothing is free. It gets paid by somebody.
liberleft, have you been told lately that you are an idiot. not just an idiot but a f---ing idiot. if stupidy was a weapon of mass destruction - you would be a threat to the planet - possibly the entire solar system.
euro doing much better than our dollar......they have leaders and we have bush......they have tourist and we have illegals.....they have healthcare and we have a war.......they have free democractic elections and we have the electoral college.....they have oxford and we have gordon....they have laws that protect people.....they have courts that treat all men the same......we have laws and courts that impose different pentalies for the same crime...it depends who the offender is and who is defending him
some countries look for answers, and the u.s.looks for fights
"liberleft said...
................would be interesting to see if big businesses would move to ga, where they would have to pay for insurance or if they would move to another state where their employees would have free healthcare...."
Yea you did say it would be free. But if people are paying for it anyway, why not just let them pay directly to the Dr's or the health insurance companies. A middle man always drives up the prices. The government isn't in the business of providing insurance.
liberleft also said....
"......another experiment would be for a single state, lets just pick georgia, set up a fairtax plan and eliminate all state and federal tax,,,,then see after 5 years if we have had a increase or decrease in population......"
First of all, how can a state eliminate federal taxes?
This shows your ignorance for the FairTax, among other things. It is merely a consumption based tax instead of a production based tax. Florida has a sales tax and no income tax. They still have a pretty strong population.
Is your problem with the FairTax the actual plan or the sponsors of the plan?
That's all for now. I don't have time to read all your posts and point out all your mistakes.
anon 10:24 pm,
I am not trying to be mean. You do not know much about how money is created nor about Europe.
euro doing much better than our dollar......they have leaders and we have bush......
This is not Bush's fault. It is the fault of our Federal Reserve. They are creating dollars out of thin air like crazy now! Supposedly, they are trying to bail out banks. That is stupid. The banks need to suffer and learn their lessons.
they have tourist and we have illegals.....
You are wrong. We have illegals. They have Muslims taking over their countries. Our illegals are for the most part nice folks. Many of Europe's Muslims are not integrating into their societies and are drastically changing their culture.
they have healthcare and we have a war.......
They are taxed to death for health care. We have health care too.
they have free democractic elections and we have the electoral college.....
We have free elections too. Our electoral college is a superior system. Click on my name and look at one of my blog posts about it.
they have oxford and we have gordon....
Hey! I spent 1 year at Gordon.
they have laws that protect people.....they have courts that treat all men the same......we have laws and courts that impose different pentalies for the same crime...it depends who the offender is and who is defending him
Do you mean O.J.?
Concerning Government paid for Health Care of any flavor, Social Security and other Government confiscations and redistributions.
All of that is EVIL. It makes us slaves to the government. The government merrily comes along and confiscates our hard earned money and gives it to someone else.
THAT IS WRONG!!!! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
That is not liberty. That is slavery.
I am sorry, but our liberty is more important than the operation that someone needs to live. It is more important than the drug that someone needs daily to live. Liberty is more important than the food that starving children need to survive.
Liberty is a very expensive commodity. We've already given up too much in the past 70 or 80 years. Let's not give the rest of it away.
Let's grow up, be adults and start taking care of ourselves and our own families.
As a conservative Republican I agree. It's just too bad if someone has put themselves in the position of not being able to afford medical care. Most likely they have had years to save money, or they are too lazy to take a good job that has health care benefits.
If someone is unfortunate enough to place themselves a position where they can't afford medicine then it must be time for them to pass on to a better place. God would never take them before their time. It is meant to be or they would not die, with or without healthcare.
The same is true for education and other social services. It isn't my fault others didn't work hard and find good jobs and save money. I send my children to a private school. Why should I pay for some lazy not-so-bright person's childs education when that child's only future is tossing burgers? It's a waste of my money.
I already give at church, and my church does enough social charity in the community. I resent having money stolen from me by that half-black closet Muslim Obama or that woman widely reported to be a lesbian.
The only thing standing between us and disaster is our President. I for one am too smart to be duped by the media into thinking Iraq is a mistake or we are not winning that very justified war.
I hope you all think hard before the next election. While liberal McCain is not my idea of good presidential material at least he is better than a Muslim who would talk to communists or a woman with lesbian tendencies, although I have to admit if I was married to Bill Clinton I probably would want to have sex with another woman too.
A little church would help all you people. I pray God touches your hearts and softens them before the next election. Maybe we will all get lucky and the hand of God will reach down and give us Huckabee, and deliver us from the evil that appears to be descending upon us.
I have health care through my state job. I'm sick of people crying about getting more of my paycheck. Go out and get a job that pays more and has benefits.
There is a side to this we should all consider. On the surface it may sound a little harsh but the people who can't afford health care probably don't take care of themselves very well or contribute to society anyway.
Go out get a job, go to school, work hard, go to church, and quit being a drain on society. God will provide for those who try to take care of themselves.
If you don't take care of yourself and can't afford health care then suffer with it. It isn't our problem.
Anonymous 10:04 who said...
" I resent having money stolen from me by that half-black closet Muslim Obama or that woman widely reported to be a lesbian."
You give the republican party a bad name. I resent having my money stolen also. But I resent having it stolen by anyone. Someone's race or an untrue rumor about their sexuality has no bearing on whether or not I want them to take my money. I don't care if you're a mixed tranny scientologist that sleeps with goats or a hetero, white Christian male, you are still undermining my right to own property.
AMEN!
You are making too much out of it.
It's a fact that Obama is a closet Muslim who associates with racists like Farakan and others. It's the perversions at the core of Hillary Clinton and Barak Hussen Obama that we need to worry about, not me.
They will steal our money, our pride, and our freedom. They will have sex taught in public schools, free abortions along with the free health care (for people who don't deserve health care anyway), and we will see an increase in discrimination against white Christian males.
If you are a true Christian Conservative you know what I am talking about. If you are a Liberal you will embrace the racism and perversions of these Democrats.
God is testing the country he blessed with this election. I believe He has given us the choice of evils to see what our fath is.
You are making too much out of it.
It's a fact that Obama is a closet Muslim who associates with racists like Farakan and others. It's the perversions at the core of Hillary Clinton and Barak Hussen Obama that we need to worry about, not me.
They will steal our money, our pride, and our freedom. They will have sex taught in public schools, free abortions along with the free health care (for people who don't deserve health care anyway), and we will see an increase in discrimination against white Christian males.
If you are a true Christian Conservative you know what I am talking about. If you are a Liberal you will embrace the racism and perversions of these Democrats.
God is testing the country he blessed with this election. I believe He has given us the choice of evils to see what our faith is.
you sound like my kind of man. if all the wemon werent runnin after me id be avalable.
10:24 PM we have brains - you have sh-- for brains. Pull your head out of your ass!
The Euro is doing well because the Europeans formed a trade union among countries of approximately equal wealth. All of the countries must work and trade under the same rules.
They were not stupid like the USA leaders like Clinton or Bush, who form trade unions or trade agreements with countries that are poor and very much less work, pollution, and living standards than us.
The Federal Reserve is printing so much money because they must prop up our economy, which is shipping trillions and trillions of dollars overseas. If they weren't churning out cash our cash would dry up, and we would have terrible inflation.
The problem is our leaders make deals that are good for themselves and bad for Americans, and most Americans are too stupid to compare what sucessful people like the Europeans are doing to unsucessful people like our leaders.
It is inevitable our economy is going to collapse. There isn't an economy in history that ever has or even could survive spending more money to other countries than they ever have a chance of getting back.
We are living off the wealth of our resources in the 1800's and early 1900's. We are spending it at record rates and the wealth will never come back.
Until we face that fact and look at the difference between how Europe brokers trade deals and how we do, we will continue getting bleeding our nation dry.
This all started with Nixon and Carter but it has been steadily been getting worse. It accelerated greatly with Clinton and NAFTA, and Bush really put the pedal to the floor with China.
Anyone with any amount of smarts at all can look this stuff up and see it is true. We gave away the electronics industry in the 70's. We gave away steel next. Then we let other industries follow to unfair trade arrangements. The worse words anyone can use are "world economy" and "free trade" when you are the nation with wealth.
Bush of course is fixing that. Soon we will be poor and China will be a nation of wealth. They are already loaning us money. Until will fix the real problem all the rest of the arguments we hear are meaningless.
The Government isn't taxing us to death, they are sending all the wealth we have amassed overseas at record rates. No other advanced nation in the world is doing this. Look at the European Union and see what they did to circle the wagons and compare their trading methods to ours.
That's the real answer.
China doesn't LOAN us money. They buy up our debt along with all the other countries. BONDS!!!
Bonds are loans.
When you buy a bond you are loaning the Government money.
The communist Chinese are loaning us money at interest to pay for the stupid senseless war in Iraq and the uncontrolled spending of the Republican administration led by that very poor business manager George W. Bush.
the lesbian beat the muslim last night. looks like we might have another crooked rich clinton and her lobbyists leading us into more bad choices. mccain cant win because of bush and obama cant win because of the lobby money.
i think that his first and last name should also be a concern!! plus, the racist church he attends. everyone asks like he great because he knows how to give an exciting speech. i believe that if the people of this country put him in office, we a screwed!!!!
Hillary? She scares me!
McCain? I'll have to hold my nose and vote for him.
Obama? He might actually be entertaining, watching him try to live up to all he's promised.
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