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Disarm America, He never said that Walter. I think you should have you Journalism degree revoked. Don't you have any integrity. There is nothing wrong with what he said. He wants to use diplomacy (wow now that's a concept) so we don't need giant weapons. You know all of you sorry people supporting McCain. Quit your jobs and join the army. They can use you in some way I'm sure. I've done my time over there and I will never go back, So the rest of you that want us over there so bad should join and go yourself.
obammy disarm america?your damn right he will if he can get away with it!!what do you think that half breed muslim learned as a child ,to love infidels? hell no!! he was tought to hate and kill them and we as TRUE Americans should beware of two faced towel head wanna-be's just like him
Sorry people supporting McCain? at least he had the GUTS to serve his country un like obama--and like someone asked in another posting just what has this so called "leader of change" done to be in the position he is ? other than being part black? its a sad time in America when someone can reach the point of president for nothing more than being part BLACK
Muslims looking to destroy America? Dude, open your eyes and you'll see the Republicans and Democrats have literally destroyed America. We need to stop being Republican and Democrat sheep and realize all of these idiots need the boot! Not one of these thugs have truly been honest about why the the gas/inflation/higher food prices are happening. If they regulated speculation the way everything else is regulated, the poor and middleclass would be able to afford to get to and from work.
give it a rest......nobody really believes that obama can win this election......just be happy that mccain is liberal enough to make everyone happy.......we will never have a black president until there is over 50 percent blacks in this country.....then we will find a way to not count their votes.....oh, wait,,we already know how to not count their votes, the old poll tax and not the new voter i.d. laws.....
I don't think it will be his race that keeps him from being elected, it will be his policies. We are still in the fluff stage of this election but come mid-Oct it should be a different story. Remember, Obama was ranked the most liberal senator in the US Senate. This video definitely shows how he won that title.
when policies of the gay mccain do you not like?....his pro bush war or his antirepublican stances over the last 12 years.........by the way, he is not gay; i used a question mark
da man gonna win and take us to the top. nomore backseat for da brothas and sistas we gonna be riding up front where we belong its about time a black man comes along to fix a country the whites have nearly destroyed.
Whites have built the greatest country in the world. If we would quit pampering the blacks we could keep it that way.But if we didb that you would starve because you are to lazy to work. Your like animals always waiting for someone else to feed you.
- Almost all the blacks, simply because he is half black. - Many of the women, because they wanted Hillary. - All the people mad at Bush, because they don't know any better. - All the people that want government to give them everything for free. - All liberals, because they have discarded their morals.
I'm voting for McCain because he will be best for what the country needs. Not because he is white or that he is a republican, that he is the best pick. I'm sorry but I'm not looking for the change Obama wants to bring. Socialism has been tried and failed in too many areas of the world. Why American politics wants to try it is beyond me. But if you look hard at all your really liberal leaders - they must have studied at Stalin University. They want to bring you Socialism and all of you are falling for it under the veil of liberalism.
One more thing. There's one person that never misses a chance to bad mouth Bush or Republican. So before you even take the time, let me tell you now to kiss my ass.
john mccain wife owns Hensley......Hensley is a budwiser distributor......august busch IV is president of budwiser......20 yrs ago august busch was arrested for manslaughter after he left the scene of accident.....driving dui and had wreck in new corvette...killing a waitress riding in passenger seat that was sent thru the sunroof.....he was arrested in his apartment 7 hours later with blood still on his person.....case was dismissed after the blood samples proving the blood alcohol level went missing.....this happened in arizona.....the officer in charge of the missing blood samples no longer works for the police.....he is an executive with a company called Hensley (john mccains wifes company) ......strange how things go full circle.....john mccain one of the keating five.....cindy mccain arrested for drug diversion and fraud (charges dropped)....years of drug and alcohol treatment......john mccain dates cindy for year while still married to first wife......all this and still the right wing republicans love the guy.....if he was a democract faux new would be airing specials every night......if you look at the record of each man without knowing whether they were dem or rep and not knowing whether they were white or black; then obama would sweep the conservative states.....but things being what they are, mccain wins by bigger majority than bush either time...
10:50 I guess John McCain was also responsible for the JFK assignation too. He must have been the one in the grassy spot or the one that fired the magic bullet. I'll bet he was in co-hoots with Bin Laden on 9/11 too. He must be a Muslim.
No sense talking with you because Obama already has you brain washed. Hope you like socialism. You are going to be fighting American freedom fighters on your own soil battling socialism. Get prepared.
We already have socialism. We work for the Communist Chinese and Mexicans now. Now we have males with small penis phobia wanting to right the world by carrying a loaded gun into a family resturant. We can't even tell if tomatos are killing us or if it is toys, and we want a bunch of gun fanatics to walk around armed because the same Government that can't protect our food supply ran a background check on the town drunk.
Democracy has done a great job in this country. We have no more jobs left, we are begging the same people that killed us in Korea and Vietnam for work. We have about 3% of the world's oil in Alaska and offshore and we want to swallow it down so prices drop 3% for the next 10 years instead of saving it for a rainy day when the Middle East goes up in smoke.
We sent our troops into Iraq when they did nothing at all to us and the guy we were looking for was in Afghanistan or Pakistan. We have to invent war heros.
We made the world less safe and ruined our reputation even in Canada!
We rank 38th in the world for health care, but by God we don't have that dreaded socialized medicine the 37 countries ramnked ahead of us do.
That doesn't matter because we are number one in our own minds as long as we have big huge expensive weapons, even if we can't use them to help catch BinLaden, protect us from poison toys, poison medicine, secure our borders, or even tell if it was tomataos killing people.
Where do you people get that there are no jobs in this country? Just about everyone I know goes to work every morning. If you don't have a job it is most likely because you are to sorry to work not a politicians fault.
they are not too sorry to work....they are too smart to work......if they go to work, they will not get medical benefits.....after you pay daycare, travel to work, and have to buy privite insurance; it eats up all your salary......thus, it makes more sense to not take a job without medical ins.......if america would wake up and get national healthcare for all, then all these americans would take low paying jobs and the mexicans would go home
Alas, Americans truly are the dumbest electorate in the world! What I'm reading on this blog from the "Conservative" and "Liberal" sheep is the same crap I'm hearing out here in California. When will you idiots realize both of these parties are worthless. Stop listening those liberal and conservative and liberal pundits and think for yourselves for a change.
Signed, A black man who won't be voting for neither Obama or McCain in November!
OBAMA IS NOT BLACK. HE IS MULLATO AND HE SPEWS COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY. HE THINKS KILLING BABIES IN THEIR MOTHER'S WOMB IS OKAY. HE THINKS DISARMING AMERICA IS OKAY. HE THINKS NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS IS OKAY. HE THINKS FORMING ALLIANCES WITH NATIONS WHO DESPISE AMERICA IS OKAY. HE THINKS SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS OKAY. HE WANTS AMERICANS TO BE COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT. WHEN YOU GET PEOPLE DEPENDENT ON THE SYSTEM, THEY CAN'T AND WON'T DECIDE ANYTHING FOR THEMSELVES. THOSE WHO WON'T WORK GET REWARDED FOR THEIR LAZINESS AND THOSE WHO DO WORK ARE MADE TO SUPPORT THESE PATHETIC WRETCHES. I THINK PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT OBAMA ARE IGNORANT OF HISTORY AND WHAT HE BELIEVES AND STANDS FOR. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES. DO A LITTLE DIGGING. AGAIN I ENCOURAGE THAT YOU TO AT LEAST READ THE "COMMUNIST MANIFESTO". IT IS REALLY SCARY HOW MUCH OBAMA THINKS LIKE KARL MARX. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF SOCIETY. DO YOU?
The reason jobs are down is because the super rich CEO's and Board of Directors for companies send the work over seas. Guess what they probably vote Republican.
Same people steal there employees pension and then say that Social Security should be privatised.
These people blow up abortion clinics, Because they don't agree with the Law.
These people try to rule with fear, That's more communist than anything.
To Obama supporters! O.K. there are at least 4 groups.. 1st the younger, most of whom have no concept of how putting him in office will affect them & their children.. just because he's younger.. & swings his hips a little.. like I saw in one of his campaigns.. then group 2 the much older generation who have always been a democrat & will die one.. not seeing that the democrats of old.. are not what they are today.. then group 3.. those that just want to see a black as president.. not caring that he's is Islamic.. or the cost it will be later.. group 4 are the welfare folks & immigrants that believe the the government has always cared for them & will continue especially with Obama.. WRONG! So if all these votes put him in office not only will they suffer but they take the rest of us with them! He wants to disarm American's so we will not be able to defend ourselves from criminals (or government) and they will NOT BE DISARMED! He wants to give up some (if not all) of our freedom to the United Nations (made up mostly of countries that hate America.) Then not only will we have raised taxes, he proposes, but will have to pay more taxes to the UN! Wake up America!! Otherwise just vote for Bin Laden! Please people that care.. go VOTE! Not voting is a vote for Obama!
BTW.. 1:30 P.M.. evidently you have not researched your idol very well..
7:11 I was listing to you until you said he was islamic. wake up not to mention never once did he say in that video that he would take guns away from private citizens.
Obama refuses to stand at attention for AMERICA'S national anthem because he "doesn't want to be viewed as taking sides." If he wants to be our leader then he should be a proud American,one who is always on America's side.
To anon 9:oo pm: Why did Oboma choose to be sworn into the state senate on the Koran?
What do you think about Oboma refusing to stand at attention for America's national anthem?
What would you think of McCain if he had an openly racist preacher?
Why are you voting for Obama? What makes him more qualified than McCain?
A never said I was voting for Obama, I don't like either him or McCain.
B. The Koran thing, Don't believe everything you read from some mass email you get, Check Snoops it debunks most of that stuff. A congressman was sworn in with Koran, He was Muslim so he thought it more fitting, However it was not Obama here is the site
About the preacher, McCains preacher called the Catholic Church the "great whore" no ever mentioned that, Obama also turned down an endorsement from Luis Farrakhan.
I do think Obama is too liberal. On the other hand I think McCain is a Puppet to big business. That is the last thing we need. I also trust no man whose wife made him sign a prenump. If you can't stand up to some rich woman in your own country how will you stand up to foreign leaders. He is also an adulterer. He was dating his current wife months before he was divorced from his first wife. He also left her after she was disfigured in a car wreck. Check it out sounds good for your Champion of morals.
And finally call me unamerican but I don't want a life time government employee running my county right now, And No getting shot down and being a POW does not qualify you to be president.
So please check my facts you will find they are correct. And don't believe everything your preacher or some email forward tells you. Think for yourself you will be better off.
To 9:00 P.M. Evidently you have not really researched Obamba well either.. there are allot more web sites with more info. re him & his views.. some of them are Christian sites... try digging a little more. You may find something that you wouldn't like!
The head of a radical group that funds and supports Islamic terrorists as well as an America-bashing South American socialist leader has bundled more than $50,000 for Barack Obama’s presidential campaign.
Jodie Evans, co-founder of the anti-war group Code Pink, is a huge Obama supporter who has personally given his campaign the federal limit ($2,300) and continues to collect big bucks—$50,000 and counting—from friends and associates in an effort to help the Illinois senator, a favorite among Latin American socialist leaders, move into the White House.
”Dreams from My Father” has been widely acclaimed as an introspective and insightful read far from the anodyne campaign-oriented books politicians often produce, traits that Obama’s critics believe make it ideal for use against the candidate.
In a passage describing his high school experience in Hawaii, for example, Obama explains the allure of drugs: “I kept playing basketball, attended classes sparingly, drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically. … If the high didn’t solve whatever it was that was getting you down,” Obama intones, “it could at least help you laugh at the world’s ongoing folly.”
I don't enjoy being the most hated country in the world. Why wouldn't anyone here want to make peace with those that hate us? We are not as strong a nation as some of you believe. Redneck Dubya has ruined us.
The only way to fix our great country is to get back to way it use to be, back to God. i know everybody is saying seperation of church and state but read the constitution it never says thoes words. it does say and mean that the govt cant tell you what religion to believe, not to seperate the two (not exactly in thoes words)because out country was founded for the advancement of the Christian faith if you turn it back to God that will fix all of our problems, not trying to go all Jesus freak on you but somebody has to share the truth. Im not strictly republican or democrat but more on where ppl stand on key issues such as abortion, same sex marriage and religion b/c I am pro life, and i believe it is just plain wrong/sick to be gay/bisexual, everybody was created by God straight no if ands or buts about it. And as for the racism claims from all the blacks about Obama how old school can you get slavery ended along time ago i work with black and whites and love them all but to be honest the blacks are more racist than the whites but theres no stupid naacp backing us its like we owe them something. as for my vote for pres. im gonna go with Mccain not because hes white but because he has more experience, yes hes about dead but Obama just dont have a clue yet and hes muslim( dont say he aint cause if you read his back ground he was brought up by a father and a step father that were both muslim ) and with a middle name of husein i dont think i want him in office. Mccain is not the best candidate but is the lesser of two evils.
The only way to fix our great country is to get back to way it use to be, back to God. i know everybody is saying seperation of church and state but read the constitution it never says thoes words. it does say and mean that the govt cant tell you what religion to believe, not to seperate the two (not exactly in thoes words)because out country was founded for the advancement of the Christian faith if you turn it back to God that will fix all of our problems, not trying to go all Jesus freak on you but somebody has to share the truth. Im not strictly republican or democrat but more on where ppl stand on key issues such as abortion, same sex marriage and religion b/c I am pro life, and i believe it is just plain wrong/sick to be gay/bisexual, everybody was created by God straight no if ands or buts about it. And as for the racism claims from all the blacks about Obama how old school can you get slavery ended along time ago i work with black and whites and love them all but to be honest the blacks are more racist than the whites but theres no stupid naacp backing us its like we owe them something. as for my vote for pres. im gonna go with Mccain not because hes white but because he has more experience, yes hes about dead but Obama just dont have a clue yet and hes muslim( dont say he aint cause if you read his back ground he was brought up by a father and a step father that were both muslim ) and with a middle name of husein i dont think i want him in office. Mccain is not the best candidate but is the lesser of two evils.
8:04 look up and read what I wrote about doing your research. Most of our "Founding Fathers" were not christians. Now I will show you what a little research does its going to be long but I hope you will read it.
Stop Believing everything you are told
A few Christian fundamentalists attempt to convince us to return to the Christianity of early America, yet according to the historian, Robert T. Handy, "No more than 10 percent-- probably less-- of Americans in 1800 were members of congregations."
The Founding Fathers, also, rarely practiced Christian orthodoxy. Although they supported the free exercise of any religion, they understood the dangers of religion. Most of them believed in deism and attended Freemasonry lodges. According to John J. Robinson, "Freemasonry had been a powerful force for religious freedom." Freemasons took seriously the principle that men should worship according to their own conscience. Masonry welcomed anyone from any religion or non-religion, as long as they believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette, and many others accepted Freemasonry.
The Constitution reflects our founders views of a secular government, protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, "the idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety."
George Washington
Much of the myth of Washington's alleged Christianity came from Mason Weems influential book, "Life of Washington." The story of the cherry tree comes from this book and it has no historical basis. Weems, a Christian minister portrayed Washington as a devout Christian, yet Washington's own diaries show that he rarely attended Church.
Washington revealed almost nothing to indicate his spiritual frame of mind, hardly a mark of a devout Christian. In his thousands of letters, the name of Jesus Christ never appears. He rarely spoke about his religion, but his Freemasonry experience points to a belief in deism. Washington's initiation occurred at the Fredericksburg Lodge on 4 November 1752, later becoming a Master mason in 1799, and remained a freemason until he died.
To the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789, Washington said that every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."
After Washington's death, Dr. Abercrombie, a friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had interrogated him about Washington's religion replied, "Sir, Washington was a Deist."
Thomas Jefferson
Even most Christians do not consider Jefferson a Christian. In many of his letters, he denounced the superstitions of Christianity. He did not believe in spiritual souls, angels or godly miracles. Although Jefferson did admire the morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not think him divine, nor did he believe in the Trinity or the miracles of Jesus. In a letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787, he wrote, "Question with boldness even the existence of a god."
Jefferson believed in materialism, reason, and science. He never admitted to any religion but his own. In a letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, 25 June 1819, he wrote, "You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."
John Adams
John Adams Adams, a Unitarian, flatly denied the doctrine of eternal damnation. In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, he wrote:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
In his letter to Samuel Miller, 8 July 1820, Adams admitted his unbelief of Protestant Calvinism: "I must acknowledge that I cannot class myself under that denomination."
In his, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788], John Adams wrote:
"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
James Madison
Called the father of the Constitution, Madison had no conventional sense of Christianity. In 1785, Madison wrote in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments:
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
Benjamin Franklin
Although Franklin received religious training, his nature forced him to rebel against the irrational tenets of his parents Christianity. His Autobiography revels his skepticism, "My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself.
". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a through Deist."
In an essay on "Toleration," Franklin wrote:
"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England."
Dr. Priestley, an intimate friend of Franklin, wrote of him:
"It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)
Thomas Paine
This freethinker and author of several books, influenced more early Americans than any other writer. Although he held Deist beliefs, he wrote in his famous The Age of Reason:
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "
"Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. "
If you read all of this I'm proud of you if not shut up
2:22 AM I hate to tell you but you are one stupid son of a bitch. you need to do a little more searching. you're so far off base that it's not worth commenting about. This country was without a doubt built up on Christian principals. what our forefarters intended was a country with regilous freedom. the US of A is a Christian nation no matter what you may think. and you are free to believe what you want. Your Christian forefather gave yiu that right.
Where is your proof that they were Christians. I gave you my proof from scholars and letters taken from there own hand. What do you have a backwoods ignorant I'm a sheep follower, That even faced with facts you still can't except it because you are too bull headed to even listen to the truth.
Nothing I say or show you will change your mind. You are a closed minded sheep with nothing to prove.
Show me facts to back up your claim. You can't you simply revert to childish name calling so.
Pull you head out of your sorry ass, get and education, move out of the trailer part, stop doing you sister and blowing your father. You suck at life and always will.
8:51 you sorry excuse for life. If sh*t were brains you could't fertilize a single seed. I've done the research already. Maybe you better get back in the web and actually research what these people believe rather that waht someone else tells you what they think.
You will bow down one day. And, I really don't care what you have to say about it now. You will one day.
did you find out that IQ from some Yahoo.com test.
Since you only speak and don't back up what you have to say with any proof then there is no reason to listen to you. I gave excerpts from letters they wrote denouncing christianity and what do you have harsh words. Back it up or shut up
since you want proof of everything and since you think that you have it find a copy of the mayflower compact it says specifically for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith so lets see your schoolars and educators that evidently no idea seeing how they were nowhere around back then or the original document hmmmm i think ill go with the document look thats the principals it was founded on like it or not but theres always room at rock springs church for you to learn some of thoes Godly views and i invite you out there.
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Disarm America, He never said that Walter. I think you should have you Journalism degree revoked. Don't you have any integrity. There is nothing wrong with what he said. He wants to use diplomacy (wow now that's a concept) so we don't need giant weapons. You know all of you sorry people supporting McCain. Quit your jobs and join the army. They can use you in some way I'm sure. I've done my time over there and I will never go back, So the rest of you that want us over there so bad should join and go yourself.
thus the question mark.
obammy disarm america?your damn right he will if he can get away with it!!what do you think that half breed muslim learned as a child ,to love infidels? hell no!!
he was tought to hate and kill them and we as TRUE Americans should beware of two faced towel head wanna-be's just like him
Sorry people supporting McCain? at least he had the GUTS to serve his country un like obama--and like someone asked in another posting just what has this so called "leader of change" done to be in the position he is ? other than being part black? its a sad time in America when someone can reach the point of president for nothing more than being part BLACK
The muslims are looking to destroy America, what better way than from the inside out?
Muslims looking to destroy America? Dude, open your eyes and you'll see the Republicans and Democrats have literally destroyed America. We need to stop being Republican and Democrat sheep and realize all of these idiots need the boot! Not one of these thugs have truly been honest about why the the gas/inflation/higher food prices are happening. If they regulated speculation the way everything else is regulated, the poor and middleclass would be able to afford to get to and from work.
i would like to see that black bastard just try. please give me an excuse obama please i beg you.
He better disarm America because,IF he is elected,some redneck is going to pop a cap in his ass.
give it a rest......nobody really believes that obama can win this election......just be happy that mccain is liberal enough to make everyone happy.......we will never have a black president until there is over 50 percent blacks in this country.....then we will find a way to not count their votes.....oh, wait,,we already know how to not count their votes, the old poll tax and not the new voter i.d. laws.....
I don't think it will be his race that keeps him from being elected, it will be his policies. We are still in the fluff stage of this election but come mid-Oct it should be a different story. Remember, Obama was ranked the most liberal senator in the US Senate. This video definitely shows how he won that title.
From my cold dead hands!!!
when policies of the gay mccain do you not like?....his pro bush war or his antirepublican stances over the last 12 years.........by the way, he is not gay; i used a question mark
mccain is to the republican party as zell miller and joe liberman is to the democractic party
da man gonna win and take us to the top. nomore backseat for da brothas and sistas we gonna be riding up front where we belong its about time a black man comes along to fix a country the whites have nearly destroyed.
Whites have built the greatest country in the world. If we would quit pampering the blacks we could keep it that way.But if we didb that you would starve because you are to lazy to work. Your like animals always waiting for someone else to feed you.
http://nextstoplauderdale.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/obama-and-the-nat-ant.jpg
Y'all check out this picture.
Anon 1:27, If you want to appear superior, you might want to learn to spell and use proper grammar.
"to lazy to work" should be "too lazy to work"
"your like animals" should be "you're like animals"
And don't give us that "it's only a blog" excuse. I've a feeling that you type like you think. Sad.
And Martha...that's been around forever. Can't you do better than that?
Obama has my vote.
a blog that threatens the life of a future president is probably illegal. bad enough you idiots lie by thinking he is muuslim.
you all elected that sissy draft evader george w bush. the drunken coke head draft evader. and the world quietly put up with him.
show obama the same respect everyone had for the criminals in the whitehouse now. dont threaten the life of a future or past president
Who's going to vote for him?
- Almost all the blacks, simply because he is half black.
- Many of the women, because they wanted Hillary.
- All the people mad at Bush, because they don't know any better.
- All the people that want government to give them everything for free.
- All liberals, because they have discarded their morals.
I'm voting for McCain because he will be best for what the country needs. Not because he is white or that he is a republican, that he is the best pick. I'm sorry but I'm not looking for the change Obama wants to bring. Socialism has been tried and failed in too many areas of the world. Why American politics wants to try it is beyond me. But if you look hard at all your really liberal leaders - they must have studied at Stalin University. They want to bring you Socialism and all of you are falling for it under the veil of liberalism.
One more thing. There's one person that never misses a chance to bad mouth Bush or Republican. So before you even take the time, let me tell you now to kiss my ass.
john mccain wife owns Hensley......Hensley is a budwiser distributor......august busch IV is president of budwiser......20 yrs ago august busch was arrested for manslaughter after he left the scene of accident.....driving dui and had wreck in new corvette...killing a waitress riding in passenger seat that was sent thru the sunroof.....he was arrested in his apartment 7 hours later with blood still on his person.....case was dismissed after the blood samples proving the blood alcohol level went missing.....this happened in arizona.....the officer in charge of the missing blood samples no longer works for the police.....he is an executive with a company called Hensley (john mccains wifes company) ......strange how things go full circle.....john mccain one of the keating five.....cindy mccain arrested for drug diversion and fraud (charges dropped)....years of drug and alcohol treatment......john mccain dates cindy for year while still married to first wife......all this and still the right wing republicans love the guy.....if he was a democract faux new would be airing specials every night......if you look at the record of each man without knowing whether they were dem or rep and not knowing whether they were white or black; then obama would sweep the conservative states.....but things being what they are, mccain wins by bigger majority than bush either time...
10:50 I guess John McCain was also responsible for the JFK assignation too. He must have been the one in the grassy spot or the one that fired the magic bullet. I'll bet he was in co-hoots with Bin Laden on 9/11 too. He must be a Muslim.
No sense talking with you because Obama already has you brain washed. Hope you like socialism. You are going to be fighting American freedom fighters on your own soil battling socialism. Get prepared.
We already have socialism. We work for the Communist Chinese and Mexicans now. Now we have males with small penis phobia wanting to right the world by carrying a loaded gun into a family resturant. We can't even tell if tomatos are killing us or if it is toys, and we want a bunch of gun fanatics to walk around armed because the same Government that can't protect our food supply ran a background check on the town drunk.
This nation is coming unglued.
Democracy has done a great job in this country. We have no more jobs left, we are begging the same people that killed us in Korea and Vietnam for work. We have about 3% of the world's oil in Alaska and offshore and we want to swallow it down so prices drop 3% for the next 10 years instead of saving it for a rainy day when the Middle East goes up in smoke.
We sent our troops into Iraq when they did nothing at all to us and the guy we were looking for was in Afghanistan or Pakistan. We have to invent war heros.
We made the world less safe and ruined our reputation even in Canada!
We rank 38th in the world for health care, but by God we don't have that dreaded socialized medicine the 37 countries ramnked ahead of us do.
That doesn't matter because we are number one in our own minds as long as we have big huge expensive weapons, even if we can't use them to help catch BinLaden, protect us from poison toys, poison medicine, secure our borders, or even tell if it was tomataos killing people.
6:08 you have a problem. Maybe you should look for help.
5:34 & 6:08:
You are so right! Why can't some people see what's happening? Because they don't want to see it I suppose.
To the person that wrote:
"6:08 you have a problem. Maybe you should look for help."
You're an idiot...it is you that has the problem.
show your black vote locally...elect alonzo sheriff and put an end to this buice waller bullshit
Where do you people get that there are no jobs in this country? Just about everyone I know goes to work every morning. If you don't have a job it is most likely because you are to sorry to work not a politicians fault.
they are not too sorry to work....they are too smart to work......if they go to work, they will not get medical benefits.....after you pay daycare, travel to work, and have to buy privite insurance; it eats up all your salary......thus, it makes more sense to not take a job without medical ins.......if america would wake up and get national healthcare for all, then all these americans would take low paying jobs and the mexicans would go home
Some of you just can't see the big picture. Whether or not your neighbor has a job is irrelevant.
We have much bigger problems.
I have 2 jobs now, the 2nd job pays for the gas to go to my 1st job.
Alas, Americans truly are the dumbest electorate in the world! What I'm reading on this blog from the "Conservative" and "Liberal" sheep is the same crap I'm hearing out here in California. When will you idiots realize both of these parties are worthless. Stop listening those liberal and conservative and liberal pundits and think for yourselves for a change.
Signed,
A black man who won't be voting for neither Obama or McCain in November!
TO UNDERSTAND OBAMA ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS READ "MEIN KAMPH" BY ADOLPH HITLER AND "THE COMMUNST MANIFESTO" BY KARL MARX!
All I need to understand is that he is black.
OBAMA IS NOT BLACK. HE IS MULLATO AND HE SPEWS COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY. HE THINKS KILLING BABIES IN THEIR MOTHER'S WOMB IS OKAY. HE THINKS DISARMING AMERICA IS OKAY. HE THINKS NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS IS OKAY. HE THINKS FORMING ALLIANCES WITH NATIONS WHO DESPISE AMERICA IS OKAY. HE THINKS SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS OKAY. HE WANTS AMERICANS TO BE COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT. WHEN YOU GET PEOPLE DEPENDENT ON THE SYSTEM, THEY CAN'T AND WON'T DECIDE ANYTHING FOR THEMSELVES. THOSE WHO WON'T WORK GET REWARDED FOR THEIR LAZINESS AND THOSE WHO DO WORK ARE MADE TO SUPPORT THESE PATHETIC WRETCHES. I THINK PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT OBAMA ARE IGNORANT OF HISTORY AND WHAT HE BELIEVES AND STANDS FOR. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES. DO A LITTLE DIGGING. AGAIN I ENCOURAGE THAT YOU TO AT LEAST READ THE "COMMUNIST MANIFESTO". IT IS REALLY SCARY HOW MUCH OBAMA THINKS LIKE KARL MARX. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF SOCIETY. DO YOU?
9:22 I'm guessing you're black???
NO, I'M WHITE AND PROUD OF IT!!!!!!WHY WOULD YOU THINK I WAS BLACK?
The reason jobs are down is because the super rich CEO's and Board of Directors for companies send the work over seas. Guess what they probably vote Republican.
Same people steal there employees pension and then say that Social Security should be privatised.
These people blow up abortion clinics, Because they don't agree with the Law.
These people try to rule with fear, That's more communist than anything.
To Obama supporters! O.K. there are at least 4 groups.. 1st the younger, most of whom have no concept of how putting him in office will affect them & their children.. just because he's younger.. & swings his hips a little.. like I saw in one of his campaigns.. then group 2 the much older generation who have always been a democrat & will die one.. not seeing that the democrats of old.. are not what they are today.. then group 3.. those that just want to see a black as president.. not caring that he's is Islamic.. or the cost it will be later.. group 4 are the welfare folks & immigrants that believe the the government has always cared for them & will continue especially with Obama.. WRONG! So if all these votes put him in office not only will they suffer but they take the rest of us with them! He wants to disarm American's so we will not be able to defend ourselves from criminals (or government) and they will NOT BE DISARMED! He wants to give up some (if not all) of our freedom to the United Nations (made up mostly of countries that hate America.) Then not only will we have raised taxes, he proposes, but will have to pay more taxes to the UN! Wake up America!! Otherwise just vote for Bin Laden! Please people that care.. go VOTE! Not voting is a vote for Obama!
BTW.. 1:30 P.M.. evidently you have not researched your idol very well..
7:11 I was listing to you until you said he was islamic. wake up not to mention never once did he say in that video that he would take guns away from private citizens.
Obama refuses to stand at attention for AMERICA'S national anthem because he "doesn't want to be viewed as taking sides." If he wants to be our leader then he should be a proud American,one who is always on America's side.
To anon 9:oo pm:
Why did Oboma choose to be sworn into the state senate on the Koran?
What do you think about Oboma refusing to stand at attention for America's national anthem?
What would you think of McCain if he had an openly racist preacher?
Why are you voting for Obama? What makes him more qualified than McCain?
Kracker,
A never said I was voting for Obama, I don't like either him or McCain.
B. The Koran thing, Don't believe everything you read from some mass email you get, Check Snoops it debunks most of that stuff. A congressman was sworn in with Koran, He was Muslim so he thought it more fitting, However it was not Obama here is the site
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp#quran
About the preacher, McCains preacher called the Catholic Church the "great whore" no ever mentioned that, Obama also turned down an endorsement from Luis Farrakhan.
I do think Obama is too liberal. On the other hand I think McCain is a Puppet to big business. That is the last thing we need. I also trust no man whose wife made him sign a prenump. If you can't stand up to some rich woman in your own country how will you stand up to foreign leaders. He is also an adulterer. He was dating his current wife months before he was divorced from his first wife. He also left her after she was disfigured in a car wreck. Check it out sounds good for your Champion of morals.
And finally call me unamerican but I don't want a life time government employee running my county right now, And No getting shot down and being a POW does not qualify you to be president.
So please check my facts you will find they are correct. And don't believe everything your preacher or some email forward tells you. Think for yourself you will be better off.
To 9:00 P.M. Evidently you have not really researched Obamba well either.. there are allot more web sites with more info. re him & his views.. some of them are Christian sites... try digging a little more. You may find something that you wouldn't like!
Jodie Evans:
The head of a radical group that funds and supports Islamic terrorists as well as an America-bashing South American socialist leader has bundled more than $50,000 for Barack Obama’s presidential campaign.
Jodie Evans, co-founder of the anti-war group Code Pink, is a huge Obama supporter who has personally given his campaign the federal limit ($2,300) and continues to collect big bucks—$50,000 and counting—from friends and associates in an effort to help the Illinois senator, a favorite among Latin American socialist leaders, move into the White House.
”Dreams from My Father” has been widely acclaimed as an introspective and insightful read far from the anodyne campaign-oriented books politicians often produce, traits that Obama’s critics believe make it ideal for use against the candidate.
In a passage describing his high school experience in Hawaii, for example, Obama explains the allure of drugs: “I kept playing basketball, attended classes sparingly, drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically. … If the high didn’t solve whatever it was that was getting you down,” Obama intones, “it could at least help you laugh at the world’s ongoing folly.”
I don't enjoy being the most hated country in the world. Why wouldn't anyone here want to make peace with those that hate us? We are not as strong a nation as some of you believe. Redneck Dubya has ruined us.
When you are great people are bound to be envious and hate you for it.
America..... Love it or leave it, but lets dont change the great nation that our fore father built for us.
The only way to fix our great country is to get back to way it use to be, back to God. i know everybody is saying seperation of church and state but read the constitution it never says thoes words. it does say and mean that the govt cant tell you what religion to believe, not to seperate the two (not exactly in thoes words)because out country was founded for the advancement of the Christian faith if you turn it back to God that will fix all of our problems, not trying to go all Jesus freak on you but somebody has to share the truth. Im not strictly republican or democrat but more on where ppl stand on key issues such as abortion, same sex marriage and religion b/c I am pro life, and i believe it is just plain wrong/sick to be gay/bisexual, everybody was created by God straight no if ands or buts about it. And as for the racism claims from all the blacks about Obama how old school can you get slavery ended along time ago i work with black and whites and love them all but to be honest the blacks are more racist than the whites but theres no stupid naacp backing us its like we owe them something. as for my vote for pres. im gonna go with Mccain not because hes white but because he has more experience, yes hes about dead but Obama just dont have a clue yet and hes muslim( dont say he aint cause if you read his back ground he was brought up by a father and a step father that were both muslim ) and with a middle name of husein i dont think i want him in office. Mccain is not the best candidate but is the lesser of two evils.
The only way to fix our great country is to get back to way it use to be, back to God. i know everybody is saying seperation of church and state but read the constitution it never says thoes words. it does say and mean that the govt cant tell you what religion to believe, not to seperate the two (not exactly in thoes words)because out country was founded for the advancement of the Christian faith if you turn it back to God that will fix all of our problems, not trying to go all Jesus freak on you but somebody has to share the truth. Im not strictly republican or democrat but more on where ppl stand on key issues such as abortion, same sex marriage and religion b/c I am pro life, and i believe it is just plain wrong/sick to be gay/bisexual, everybody was created by God straight no if ands or buts about it. And as for the racism claims from all the blacks about Obama how old school can you get slavery ended along time ago i work with black and whites and love them all but to be honest the blacks are more racist than the whites but theres no stupid naacp backing us its like we owe them something. as for my vote for pres. im gonna go with Mccain not because hes white but because he has more experience, yes hes about dead but Obama just dont have a clue yet and hes muslim( dont say he aint cause if you read his back ground he was brought up by a father and a step father that were both muslim ) and with a middle name of husein i dont think i want him in office. Mccain is not the best candidate but is the lesser of two evils.
8:50am
You make some very good points, And I do wish people would stop believing everything they hear and research things for themselves
Anon 8:04
You are exactly right. Glad to know that there are still some intelligent voters out there.
8:04 look up and read what I wrote about doing your research. Most of our "Founding Fathers" were not christians. Now I will show you what a little research does its going to be long but I hope you will read it.
Stop Believing everything you are told
A few Christian fundamentalists attempt to convince us to return to the Christianity of early America, yet according to the historian, Robert T. Handy, "No more than 10 percent-- probably less-- of Americans in 1800 were members of congregations."
The Founding Fathers, also, rarely practiced Christian orthodoxy. Although they supported the free exercise of any religion, they understood the dangers of religion. Most of them believed in deism and attended Freemasonry lodges. According to John J. Robinson, "Freemasonry had been a powerful force for religious freedom." Freemasons took seriously the principle that men should worship according to their own conscience. Masonry welcomed anyone from any religion or non-religion, as long as they believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette, and many others accepted Freemasonry.
The Constitution reflects our founders views of a secular government, protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, "the idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety."
George Washington
Much of the myth of Washington's alleged Christianity came from Mason Weems influential book, "Life of Washington." The story of the cherry tree comes from this book and it has no historical basis. Weems, a Christian minister portrayed Washington as a devout Christian, yet Washington's own diaries show that he rarely attended Church.
Washington revealed almost nothing to indicate his spiritual frame of mind, hardly a mark of a devout Christian. In his thousands of letters, the name of Jesus Christ never appears. He rarely spoke about his religion, but his Freemasonry experience points to a belief in deism. Washington's initiation occurred at the Fredericksburg Lodge on 4 November 1752, later becoming a Master mason in 1799, and remained a freemason until he died.
To the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789, Washington said that every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."
After Washington's death, Dr. Abercrombie, a friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had interrogated him about Washington's religion replied, "Sir, Washington was a Deist."
Thomas Jefferson
Even most Christians do not consider Jefferson a Christian. In many of his letters, he denounced the superstitions of Christianity. He did not believe in spiritual souls, angels or godly miracles. Although Jefferson did admire the morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not think him divine, nor did he believe in the Trinity or the miracles of Jesus. In a letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787, he wrote, "Question with boldness even the existence of a god."
Jefferson believed in materialism, reason, and science. He never admitted to any religion but his own. In a letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, 25 June 1819, he wrote, "You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."
John Adams
John Adams
Adams, a Unitarian, flatly denied the doctrine of eternal damnation. In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, he wrote:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
In his letter to Samuel Miller, 8 July 1820, Adams admitted his unbelief of Protestant Calvinism: "I must acknowledge that I cannot class myself under that denomination."
In his, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788], John Adams wrote:
"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
James Madison
Called the father of the Constitution, Madison had no conventional sense of Christianity. In 1785, Madison wrote in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments:
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
Benjamin Franklin
Although Franklin received religious training, his nature forced him to rebel against the irrational tenets of his parents Christianity. His Autobiography revels his skepticism, "My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself.
". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a through Deist."
In an essay on "Toleration," Franklin wrote:
"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England."
Dr. Priestley, an intimate friend of Franklin, wrote of him:
"It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)
Thomas Paine
This freethinker and author of several books, influenced more early Americans than any other writer. Although he held Deist beliefs, he wrote in his famous The Age of Reason:
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "
"Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. "
If you read all of this I'm proud of you if not shut up
2:22 AM I hate to tell you but you are one stupid son of a bitch. you need to do a little more searching. you're so far off base that it's not worth commenting about. This country was without a doubt built up on Christian principals. what our forefarters intended was a country with regilous freedom. the US of A is a Christian nation no matter what you may think. and you are free to believe what you want. Your Christian forefather gave yiu that right.
Where is your proof that they were Christians. I gave you my proof from scholars and letters taken from there own hand. What do you have a backwoods ignorant I'm a sheep follower, That even faced with facts you still can't except it because you are too bull headed to even listen to the truth.
Nothing I say or show you will change your mind. You are a closed minded sheep with nothing to prove.
Show me facts to back up your claim. You can't you simply revert to childish name calling so.
Pull you head out of your sorry ass, get and education, move out of the trailer part, stop doing you sister and blowing your father. You suck at life and always will.
8:51 you sorry excuse for life. If sh*t were brains you could't fertilize a single seed. I've done the research already. Maybe you better get back in the web and actually research what these people believe rather that waht someone else tells you what they think.
You will bow down one day. And, I really don't care what you have to say about it now. You will one day.
Oh one more thing.
I am educated with a 141 IQ. That's not too bad if I say so myself.
did you find out that IQ from some Yahoo.com test.
Since you only speak and don't back up what you have to say with any proof then there is no reason to listen to you. I gave excerpts from letters they wrote denouncing christianity and what do you have harsh words. Back it up or shut up
since you want proof of everything and since you think that you have it find a copy of the mayflower compact it says specifically for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith so lets see your schoolars and educators that evidently no idea seeing how they were nowhere around back then or the original document hmmmm i think ill go with the document look thats the principals it was founded on like it or not but theres always room at rock springs church for you to learn some of thoes Godly views and i invite you out there.
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