ashley o'neal was crowned homecoming queen last night at the lamar county-marion county game.
a lamar player, johnny barkley, suffered a serious neck injury as was lifeflighted to an atlanta hospital.
bloggers with condition reports please advise. we also need a final score.
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Marion County won the game 42-15
My thoughts and prayers go out to #20 Johnny Barkley. It was very scary to watch him lie motionless on the field while being attended to and eventually carried off on a backboard and stretcher then taken by ambulance to a landing zone to be lifeflighted out. If anyone has any information on his condition please share it with us.
I was just coming here to see if anyone had an update on the injured player. I hope he is on his way to recovery.
Congratulations to Ashley O'neal. She was beautiful. All the girls were. I'm not crazy about an unwed mother being on the court, because even in today's times I don't think unwed mothers are representative of the student body at LCCH. Aren't there any guidelines as to who can represent and who can't? Or, is this a thing of the past?
Congradualations, Ashley !!!!
Johnny did not experience any fractures or breaks..no long term damage. Thank God! He will be very, very sore for a while, but otherwise he's ok. This report was given to the coaches by his father.
This type of thing puts a new spin on the area of sports. Sometimes it really doesn't matter who wins or loses, but that everyone comes home safe and sound.
Hats off to the coaches of both teams who had their players gather to pray for Johnny. Great sportsmanship!
No one's perfect. We all mistakes and hopefully we learn from them. The fact that the unwed mother was on the court and still in school should speak volumes for her. Isn't the effort to complete her eductation representative of the student body of LCCH?
Thanks for the update on the injured player, mrs. trojan coach. This is great news.
Kudos to the young mother for her determination in finishing high school and her high aspirations for the future. However, I disagree that she is an accurate representative of the student body. Especially given the fact that some girls who wanted to run for the homecoming court were prohibited from doing so because they had served ISS. Come on, now. ISS is given for dress code violations and tardiness which are mistakes more representative of the mistakes of your average high school student.
As a student who personally knows this "unwed mother", I can personally vouch for her determination, spirit, and all around amiable demeanor. She is also an attentive and nurturing mother-characteristics that are hard to come by in my generation. While I disagree with her personal choices, I don't think it is the position of the school system to tell her that she cannot represent her class or her school as a homecoming representative. I also do not believe that it is the position of a person on this blog to judge the severity of someone's ISS issuance. They also give ISS for fighting, and classroom disruption. Surely those are good enough reasons for in school suspension?
stress, anxiety & depression i think it is great they let her run and i am sorry they did not let you girl run but think why she gets iss she must dress like a sult and be late becaues what she is doing all night is more then likely what got the unwed mother in her Predicament.
s, a & d it's people like you who make comments like that that affect our children of today... your comment was degrading in all aspects... you have basically said she shouldn't be allowed to attend school because she has a child...
we need to commend our youth for a job well done instead of telling them what their faults are...
obviously others in the school look up to her and think she is a representative of the school because she won... don't you have to be elected by your fellow classmates to win such an honor?
whether she has a child or not, is unwed, and under 18 does not make her any less of a person... in fact i believe it makes her more of a person than you...
you should be ashamed of yourself and take a good look in the mirror before you begin to judge someone...
as for the player, my thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family... i was at the game and saw the hit... it's was very heart breaking to see him lying on the ground motionless for that length of time
No, meaningless nonsense, I did not say she should not be allowed to attend school, in fact I sent Kudos for her aspirations and determination in finishing school. I am just baffled by the administrative decision that would judge the character of a student with ISS for dress code violation more harshly than that of an unwed mother.
New update on Johnny Barkley....after new x-rays, it was found that he did have a crack (minor fracture) in bone in neck and will be in a neck brace for 4 weeks.
Please keep this kid and family in your thoughts & prayers
congradulations to Ashley....
Speaking of dress code violations....my child received ISS last year for having a very minor dress code violation. He was given this write-up by the front office secretary at the highschool. OK. Fine. It's against the rules and he received his punishment. But when I went to the school to pick my children up for a dentist appointment last week (at lunchtime, not the end of the day), I saw a male student with his pants down to his knees and a belt holding them there. His shirt was untucked and covering only PART of his back side. I asked this same secretary if it was now OK for students to wear their pants like that. She reluctantly agreed it was against the dress code but still did nothing about it. This same secretary has a reallllly nasty attitude and pathetic people skills EVERY SINGLE TIME I have to go to the office. I am interested to hear from others who have had dealings with this lady if they get the same rudeness. I hope some school administrators are reading this and will watch this employee's interactions with parents and students.
Being a very close person to Johnny, I REALLY apprecieate all the phone calls and check ups from all of our friends and the community. Please continue to keep Johnnny and his family in your prayers and only speak of the best and not the worst. He will recover and still be the same bright spirited person because he is strong and made to overcome different obstacles. I LOVE YOU. Rhondaria Brown
Why are there so many, spinal, neck and back injuries in high school football this season?
There has to be an answer.
To those of you on this blog who have posted degrading comments on the young lady who is an unwed mother should be ashamed. As another unwed teen mom I personaly take offense to this. So the best of choices were not made but at least we have stayed in school to make a better life for us and our childern. Did it ever occur to you that this young lady you have talked so badly about may read this, my guess is no. We put up with enough from people our own age and its sad that an adult wouold stoop to that level of immaturaty. And im almost willing to bet that you dont even know the girl you are talking about which once again is immature, because if you did know her you would also know that she is a wonderful mother to her son. And she was picked by her classmates to be in the top five for queen. Its not ur place to judge her, as a teen mom i will be the first to tell you MY son was not a mistake... a bad choice maybe but i would not give him up for anthing in this world, and i know she would not give up hers either. I jus ask that next time you want to judge someone make sure its someone you know, not someone you jus heard about.
I hated to see J.B. seriously injured. I hear he is gonna be alright, thank God for that! I really think the Trojans ought to forfiet the remainder of the games this year. The team is getting pounded on the scoreboard as well physically. It just aint worth it.
About an unwed mother winning homecoming Queen. Yes it was a mistake. A mistake to let her even run! That is what is wrong with our country. There is no consequences for anything.You can f-up all you want and it's ok. I guess she was sexpolar so she couldnt help it...so she shouldnt be penalized.
I was judged by my fellow classmates they believed I was a good representation of lamar county! You want to know what is wrong with this country people like you judging people before you even know anything about them! Yeah I realized 3 years ago that I was to young to have a kid, but I did! But my goals continue to be the same except now I have a little more determination to do everyting I can possibly do to make my future and my childs future as great as it can be! People have different opinions and different views!! I dont believe anyone has to be married to have a child... not saying I wanted one at this age!! I am so proud to be a mother! I dont flaunt the fact that I was only 15!!!!! But I know and you can ask anyone I am an awesome mother! Better than most 30 year old mothers!! I am a 17 year old and you are adults bad mouthing the fact I have a child! Its not like I am going to forget about it! My feelings where and are hurt, people talking about me having a child is what I have dreaded since the day I found out!! I am not a slut I am an A B student and I love my child with all my heart!!! Congrgulations Ashley!!!! You were so beautiful and so was everyone else on court!
My prayers go out to Johnny B. and his family!! <3hannah Carns
ALRIGHT HANNAH!!!!
Homecoming court.... I am a student at Lamar County and my fellow students and myself were very dissapointed with the Homecoming Court. It was nothing we expected it to be.
To be on the Homecoming Court you could nominate yourself... All the Nominees that were ALLOWED to be on there, had the chance to get picked for homecoming court. The day we voted for homecoming court was shocking. The people you expected to be on there were not...It seemed like a big joke. After we got through randomly picking, not really caring, we all starting asking people what was up...
Everyone started asking the EXPECTED girls why they didn't run. The answer was.. "I was not allowed."
My idea of Homecoming Queen is someone that ALL the students look up too... an all around person. I think that no matter what, if you got ISS or are an unwed mother or anything that people judge you by or take aganist you as if you are a horrible person, you should be allowed. It should be who the students want to become Homecoming Queen... not the administration.
I was one of the girls that had ISS and was not allowed to run. I had ISS for a simple dress code violation. If anyone knows me i am a very sweet and caring person and wouldn't do anything wrong on purpose. I'm known as the quiet, smart, and sweet girl. But yet just because of the ISS I was not able to run.
Friday night i was very up set to not be out there with the other girls. I felt like i was treated unfairly.... maybe its just me but once again I think anyone should be allowed to run for Homecoming...The one that deserves it will win. ...
Congratulations Ashley!
Thats about like me but I was able to run!! I wasnt even planning on running but the last day to sign up people kept asking me why I wasnt running!! So I thought hey I got a chance and I went for it!! Out of all the people that ran! I was voted one of the top 5!! I am very proud of myself!! And so should everyone else that made it!! Sorry to everyone that couldnt run bc of dress code!! We all know how they are with things like that!!! hannah c
Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit,all this gossip in Lamar County never ends,to many people in the coolaid and dont know the flavor. Congradtulations Hannah, at least you have your child and you didnt abort. You dont have to answer to anyone but the good Lord. This is not the first time a unwed mother did something in Lamar County , in the 80's there was a cheerleader that had more than one baby and no one said a word about her. Get over it Lamar County , sweep around your on frontdoor &( back door), You wont have time to gossip all day.Hannah as long as their talking about you , their letting someone else rest. Hannah, hold your head up and reach for your dreams. The last thing Lamar County needed was a blog, your neighbor already knows across town everytime you use the bathroom.
Boundaries! Guidelines! Standards! How many times are these words shoved in students' faces? Allowing an unwed mother but not those with a measly ISS for tardies and/or dress code junk is kinda... I'm at a loss for words
Ok, listen up you morons! You obviously can’t think for yourselves so I’m here to educate you. First, let us have a vocabulary lesson.
Rules - Authoritative directions for conduct or procedure
For those of you who didn’t understand, let me break it down for you. These are the things you must follow in order to avoid penalty or punishment. Whether you are playing Chess, or Chutes and Ladders, you must follow the rules.
If you want to attend LCCHS, stay out of trouble and remain in good standing, you must follow the rules. Each student is provided with these rules and they are available on the school’s web site. Here is a link so you may refer to them: Student Parent Handbook. Please note that there are rules for the way you must dress. Also note that there are no rules against being an unwed mother. Furthermore, please refer to the Lamar County Board of Education Policy Manual and its policy (another word for rule) on pregnant students found here: Pregnant Student Policy. While the student in question is not currently pregnant, it’s not difficult for even you feeble minded simpletons to agree that an unwed mother would have no less right to the same privileges.
Therefore, one student broke the rules while the other did not. It’s just that simple.
I’m not saying the rules are fair but they are the rules.
We all know the rules moron! What everyone is trying to say is that it does not look good for the school as well as the girl! Homecoming queen represents the school and the community. Would you rather have someone that had a simple dress code violation or a girl that has done had a baby at the age of 15!?!? We all know what the rules are, we are just saying it is not right nor fair.
Truthfully said"Homecoming queen represents the school and the community" well it looks like the unwed mother DID represent the school and COMMUNITY!! when was the last time you walked through INGLES or just opened your EYES in barnesville its amazing the amount of KIDS walking around with babby's in this town its almost as if its the cool thing to do what is it about this county and the unbeleivable amount of unwed kids having mixed race babbys?is it some kind of fad?and as far as a 15 year old being a good parent i would be willing to bet that its just another case of grandmother and grandfather rasing the young'un DONT BREED'EM IF YA CANT FEED'EM AND TAKE CARE THEM YOURSELF!!!!!
Anonymous your 35 years old do you not think it is time for you to stop bagging food at ingles and get a real job then you could move out of your moms basement.
Public schools are a failure.
The public proves my statement to be true daily.
everyone really needs to read this...please. and be respectful.
i am personal friends with this unwed mother. she is an excellent girl. yes, she had a child, but you people DO NOT know her personally. because if you did, you would know how sweet she is, and how smart she is, and how respectful and compassionate she is. she has dreams and hopes. they involve her child. she loves him, and he loves her. the father is involved. very involved. and he is also an excellent father. she does not deserve this treatment. really and truly, she is wonderful. i love her. she is my very best friend. she has never turned her back on anyone, and everyone seems to turn their back on her. it's not fair for people to treat her as a whore when she's not. remember she is a high school student. not a 40 year old woman who can deal with the things yall are throwing at her. please remember her feelings are still involved. she is young, she made some bad decisions, she had rough times. but she made it through all of it.
please please just let it go. she ran. she made it on court. she didn't win. ashley o'neal looked beautiful, and she won. end of story. just let it go....
-kayla
yes sir come on everybody bring your families and business to barnesville ga and you too can have a daughter that has a bunch of illegitimate children that you can raise,its such a careing community--because nobody cares who our children sleep with or how old they are when they do it,heck we just let the government take care of everything ain't that the way it works?
I dont think anyone is putting her down. I think that it is great she is trying to finish school. The point is that no matter how great this person is or how responsible or how much she loves her child, she should not have been allowed to participate in an activity like this. Although she is a member of the school she is now a mother. It is great that she has a lot of support but that still does not make it right. It is not ok for kids to have kids and allowing her to do this basically says that it is.
I'm curious. I'm taxed to death for education already. Am I also paying other taxes to pay for a babysitter while she is in school, and am I paying to feed and house the child. Where is daddy and how much of the bill is he soking up?
I don't care if she is LCHS Queen or the Queen of England. It's not my responsibility to care for the Prince or Princess. It's the responsibility of the King and Queen.
If you want to play mommie and daddy you better be prepared to play responsible parent.
I really don't see what the big deal is....so your kid didn't make the cut. Get over it! Is this really a life altering experience? NO!
What is wrong with all of you? Are you all really that stupid? You are sitting there trying to destroy a girl because she has a child. How many of you have a kid that is above the age of 14? Do you really believe that they have not had sex? WAKE THE HE__ UP.
The only reason you have to sit there and past judgment on Hannah is because your own kids haven't gotten pregnant YET.
BEWARE of your mouths people, because it will bite you in the A__. I can bet that most of your kids are not virgins and I can also bet and I would be right, that your kids are not the well rounded angels you think they are.
There is nothing wrong with Hannah being on the court, I think its great that she has the support of her family and friends to still be able to enjoy high school.
She and her boyfriend may have made some bad choices, but should both of them lay down and disappear because you all look in the mirror and KNOW that you could have been her at one time. Cuz you know as well as I do, you weren't virgins either, You just got lucky.
26 years ago my son was born, I was 17. I have no regrets and for those that bashed me, they never mattered in my life, not even once. My son is a stand up person, everyone enjoys being around him and he has an ease about him that makes others at ease. I fully blame him for making me a better person, cuz if it wasn't for him God only knows where I would have ended up.
Of course, I bet the mother of one of my best friends has regrets, because she bashed me as much as she could. I was no longer aloud to hang with her daughter, I wasn't good enough, I was a slut, a disgrace. 5 months after my son was born, that same best friend had an abortion. ANGEL huh?
So people get over yourselves, be happy, stop looking for reasons to hurt others. JUST STOP. God will judge all of us one day. Do you really want him judging you or your child for not being a virgin and then putting others down for the same thing. THINK before you speak.
Oh yeah and for those of you who are going to have the urge to bash what I am saying. STOP go hug your kids, before the grandkids show up.
Hannah just smile, trust me sweetie, these people are nothing and more then likely always will be nothings. Have a great senior year, don't miss out on anything.
You are a wonderful girl, don't let people change that. Always keep your son in front of you and all the bullsh** will fall far behind you. I promise.
Ahhhh... The Great Society.
Government intervention at it's best.
Maybe we should further our wealth redistribution programs, they seem to have proof positive effects.
A moral decline has been justified with the help of government spending and time, go figure.
This girl is not a bad person for having a child and I don't think she should be denied anything because of it, this is the result of turning your back to an increasing problem.
Why stand up and speak out now?
Is this the boiling point?
Is the Homecoming Court held in such high regard that this should not be tolerated,... or is it the fact that everyone sees the state of our youth as they really are and it makes you uneasy? HMMMMM?
You had better face it people, this is the NEW America. It has new rules and a new set of morals thanks to government crutch programs that limit risk and shrink the idea of responsibility.
Throw in government education for the masses and you have a great socialist voting block.
Fin!
It seems I owe an apology; an apology to morons that is. I grossly overestimated your mental capabilities and in the process insulted morons.
Perhaps another vocabulary lesson is in order.
Moron – scientific term to describe a person with a mental age between 8 and 12 years according to the Binet scale
I expressly chose moron to describe those who continue to argue the indisputable much like a child would when not getting his or her way. No matter how much you disagree with the rules, it DOES NOT change the rules. You cannot argue the facts. The Student Handbook and the LCBOE policy allow the unwed mother to participate and exclude the dress code violator.
I am certain that the squabbling will continue and that there will be no appeasing you. However, I see no reason to continue discussing this since I am right. That is not an opinion but rather a statement of fact and will remain so until the rules change.
That kid is going to cry and stomp feet and say it’s not fair but he / she is still going to have to “Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.” IT’S THE RULES!
Okay I have been reading this blog and stewing over what to say about it and this is it...First all we have opinions and everyone knows the saying about opinions. Well this is mine. Voice of Reason I agree with you about the rule thing. In the Handbook (Which is the rule book that highschoolers have to abide by) it says that you can't participate if you have had a discipline issue. Whether it be as minor as dress code. The dress code is a rule that you are required to follow in high school. Those of us who are in the real work world have a dress code to follow as well and would be disiplined at our job if we broke the rule. Secondly, no where in the hand book is there a rule saying that you cannot have sex and get pregnant. That is not a rule. However, whether or not your agree with a teenager having a child is you opinion. But it would be discrimination to not allow her to participate in school events such as homecoming. What I can't believe is how bad people are "Bad Mouthing" children. And Voice of Reason this makes you no better because you keep it going by calling them morons. I do not know the "unwed mommy" as many of you nicknamed her but I do know that if it were your child that was being talked about you would be very upset. It is one thing to express your opinions and thoughts but it is another thing to "bash" someone that you do not even know and someone who happens to be a highschooler.
I think there is a lot of dumb people out there and youall prove it now why do you not leave this girl alone just because she looks better and acts better then most of your kids is no reson to put her down
Scoop, I was wrong. I thought the no anonymous thing might change the image of the blog. It is a shame a teenager who appears to be doing right under tough circumstances would have to undergo this relentless public berating. And it happens under just about every single topic. Do this young lady and everyone else a favor and pull the plug on this whole local blogging thing.
its a DAMN blog page IF YOU DONT LIKE WHATS ON HERE DONT VISIT its for people to voice their opinions on topics in and around lamar county for the longest time it was a very interesting page to visit but people like you WDM with their crying and whinning because something doesnt fit your personal agenda or beliefs has ruined it well maybe who every operates this page will turn it into a politicaly correct page where people like you can come hold each others hands and sing kum-ba-yaa while you dance around the love tree turning a blind eye to the truths and realities of life and that is that people do get their feelings hurt and sometimes they should this is not a perfict world and will never be and it has never been,and as long as people keep tell kids its all right to spit out Illigitemate babbies its going to keep being more and more of a problem
Who promoted wdm as blog police?
While it's true a lot of people have their heads up their butt, they still should say what's on their mind. If you don't like what they say - don't reply to their comment and add any fuel. A prime example is V.O.R. Do you really think morons are going to let you get away with calling them morons? And, rules are not always right. Sometimes they need to be re-addressed. Is this one of those times? I don't know because it should be left up to the parents with kids in school and the school board. But, that's like trying to figure out who farted in a crowded elevator. The question will be ignored until the **** hits the fan.
If this irks you so bad - run for the school board - get elected - and work to get the rules changed. If everyone thinks you are right - you won't have any problems getting elected. If you plan to use morals to help you out - stop! Morals in the USA have gone to hell and so many people are eager to follow.
My advice is for you to keep paying your taxes and shut the hell up. Time is quickly running out.
kissy kissy,
I dont claim my children are perfect nor do I expect them to be. Thankfully my kids knew they could talk to me about ANYTHING.
If this were my child, I would not have let her be a part of the homecoming court.
The point is... there are just some things that you do and some things that you dont do(besides getting pregnant)...you know like wearing white shoes after labor day, or having a big wedding a wearing a white wedding dress for the 3rd time, etc. I can understand her wanting to be like the rest of her friends and being involved in everything but that was just tacky. Its not the schools fault or anyones really. I just think it was a bad choice. When you become a mom, no matter what age you are, things change. You are no longer just a kid wanting to do kid things. It is great that she is still in school and that she is a good mother and she is lucky to have the support of her family and friends. Sorry she is having to read everyones opinion but thats life.
congrats to the homecoming queen
UPDATE ON JOHHNY BARKLEY
has a cracked neck and is wearing a halo. doing better just keep him in your prayers
I didn't intend for unwed mommy's feelings to be hurt by the opinions stated in this blog. I am happy that she is continuing to pursue her educational goals while raising her child. Based on her homecoming bio, she has big dreams and I wish her well. However, (and I honestly don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand) when a teenager sets themself apart from other teenagers in a negative way, then they have to live with the consequences. A pregnant teenager/teenaged mother forfeits the carefree teenaged lifestyle the moment she becomes a mother. No matter how much time she spends in school with her former peers, she is no longer really "one of them". She has behaved in an adult manner and now she must conduct herself as an adult for the remainder of her years.
The school needs to reconsider their guidelines for who can and cannot be an ambassador representing the school and in the future disallow mothers from the pool of eligible students. Would it be a stern message? Probably, but so what. It would also be a lesson in accountability and teenagers, especially unwed parents, need to learn accountability.
Anonymous you might be an illegitimate baby yourself so be careful what you say about them.
Kristyn, in your meager attempt to support your opinion you have actually done more to support the unwed mother than anything. Much like the outdated fashion faux pas of wearing white shoes after Labor Day is no longer supported by the majority of the fashionista; the stigma associated with being a young unwed mother is also largely rejected. We live in a time where there is just no room for such backward thinking.
I laud her parents for supporting her in her run for homecoming queen. Parents should support their children. I would like to hear your reasoning behind why her parents should not have allowed her to participate. Could it possibly be because, as you so eloquently put it, it “was just tacky”? By definition, the word tacky is an opinion; it means distasteful or offensive. So how was an upstanding, well liked and dedicated high school student participating in a school sanctioned event distasteful or offensive?
Furthermore, when did running for and / or serving as homecoming queen become a “kid thing”? I agree that when one becomes a mother, or a father for that matter, things change and one should adjust their lifestyle accordingly. If running for homecoming queen would have somehow caused her to neglect her motherly duties then she should not have run. I hardly doubt it did and hence your argument once again fails to support your opinion. In fact, it once again supports the unwed mother. Being both a parent and full time student is more than many adults can even manage. By choosing to stay in school she has chosen to do the adult thing.
Now to you “stressed”. Perhaps you should attend to your stress, anxiety and depression. I cannot decide if this event is the cause of your condition or if it has just exacerbated it. Either way, it has certainly inhibited your ability to reason and argue effectively.
Since when did being an expectant mother or a responsible parent set one aside in a negative way. Moreover, you totally lost me when you said “She has behaved in an adult manner and now she must conduct herself as an adult for the remainder of her years.” You are saying either one of two things:
Having a child is behaving in an adult manner.
Or
Having sex is behaving in an adult manner.
Let’s look at the first possibility. If having a child is behaving in an adult manner doesn’t that make her an excellent role model; one that would make an exemplary homecoming queen? Or perhaps you are saying she should have taken the easy, irresponsible way out and aborted the child. That, however, would prevent her from accepting the consequences of her actions as you say she must. Therefore, she must have done the right thing in having the child and certainly understands accountability.
Based on your logic of excluding mothers, and the rules you would create in your perfect world, she could have aborted the child and continued her “carefree” teenage life and been accepted by you and others as a legitimate homecoming nominee.
Shall we look at the second option? If having sex is behaving in an adult manner and somehow causes a loss of innocence that in turn tarnishes the homecoming crown, then I would wager that most girls that age would have to be excluded, provided they were honest about the matter. The only real thing that separates the unwed mother from many girls is that she has a child as proof that she has had sex while the other girls avoided pregnancy, or at least birth.
Either way, she has still broken no rules or policies. I will say it once more; you don’t have to like the rules just follow them. I myself don’t see the rules changing because as I have shown again and again your arguments make no sense. If I might suggest something, if you are going to argue a point, it helps to actually understand what you are talking about and have facts to back it up.
As for you anonymous, geez, I don’t have time to even begin but I would recommend and English class and Microsoft Word, it has an excellent spell checker.
Kristyn, I do owe you an apology. I was not aware that you are an elder in our community. I do understand your way of thinking. It is hard for women over the age of 70 to change.
Voice of reason: Thank you, I think me and you would get along pretty good.
P.S. To Johnny and his parents. I am glad to hear Johnny is doing better. I will still keep ya'll in my prayers.
kissy kissy,
You must also be an unwed mother or had a chlid at age 15.
No matter how hard you try to explain yourself it doesnt make your opinion right. People like you are what is wrong with this country. You make excuses for for everything. It is not right. Kids should not be having kids. They should not be made to think that this is acceptable no matter that it is 2007. An unwed teen mother should not be a represenative for the school. Do you think she supports this child financially? Did she provide the home? I could go on and on. I also know she did not break any rules but Im also sure the rule book was written about 20 yrs ago when it was still a sin to have pre marital sex....it should be updated since the popular thing to do now is have a baby while in high school. Lets applaud her parents for supporting her and the child.
This topic would be good for an opinion poll.
You tell-um Kristyn.
Kristyn is so totally right! Everyone else just needs to open their f***** eyes and realize it!!
OK, voice of reason...Let me see if I can break it down for you...Setting oneself apart in a negative way: hmmmm MOST teenagers do not have babies, and it IS still frowned upon in polite society. Therefore, an unwed teenage mother sets herself apart from her peers in a negative way.
Behaving in an adult manner: Ok, having sex and having babies are meant for adults. 15 year olds are not adults, but 15 year olds having sex and babies are behaving in an adult manner, so they should bear the burden when their misbehavior gets them into trouble and not lauded as "role models". 17 year olds with toddlers are not role models for other teenagers...I don't even know where you were trying to go with that one.
Furthermore, not once did I suggest abortion. I sure hope I don't know you personally, but if I do, then you would know better than to suggest that is what I meant.
And lastly: no, this subject did not cause my stress, anxiety & depression, but the chance that people like you, who quite obviously have little, if any, moral values, influencing my children does cause me a great deal of stress.
I am not voicing an opinion or making excuses. I am stating facts. Facts cannot be disputed and you have done nothing to prove me wrong or my facts inaccurate. All you have done is to bolster my argument while simultaneously proving yourself to be wrong by spewing your inconsistency laden personal opinions. Do you even think before you write your comments here? You continue to show your ignorance despite my best efforts to help you. Did you even bother to view the link I provided for the policy in question? Either you didn’t or your math skills are as bad as your debating and reasoning skills. The policy was revised January 9, 2006; not quite 20 years by my calculation.
Furthermore, had the policy been ”written about 20 yrs ago when it was still a sin to have pre marital sex”, why would they write a policy that was inclusive of unwed mothers? Wouldn’t they have shared your narrow-minded view and excluded them?
As for premarital sex being a sin, some would consider this an opinion. However, this is one point I agree with you on. I consider the Bible and its teachings to be fact. Yet you have chosen to ignore the greatest teaching the Bible has to offer, forgiveness. This young woman’s sin is none of your concern and is a private matter between her and God.
Additionally, premarital sex has been going on since the beginning of time and if you would bother to check your facts, you would see that the median age at which women are giving birth to their first child has actually risen over the last forty years. So much for your theory. I can provide links to this data as well if you would like.
The only reason there are more high school girls with babies (yes that is the correct spelling) today is because the rules were changed. In the past, if a girl became pregnant while being in school, she was forced to quit while no such requirement was demanded of the father. If the reasoning behind this was because the girl had sinned then shouldn’t the father also be removed? What a well thought out policy. This girl is about to bring a life into this world so what do you do, deny her an education so she will be unemployable and unable to support herself and her child. Obviously, the administration saw the error in their policy and changed it, and for the better I might add.
Vocabulary lesson time, again.
Excuse – (noun, ik-skyoos) - an explanation that frees one from fault or blame, a justification.
No one is making excuses for the unwed mother. No one is offering an explanation for why she had premarital sex or trying to justify it.
Excuse – (trans. verb, ik-skyooz) – to pardon or forgive.
I am not making excuses. What I am saying is that she should be excused. This is precisely what the Bible teaches. God does not ask you to or even require you to explain or justify your actions. In fact, you cannot justify sin. It just cannot be done. All that is required of you is that you ask for forgiveness and it will be granted. Unless you are better than God, you have nothing to say about it.
What is truly wrong with this country is the growing number of ignorant people. Intelligent people “discuss ideas” while others “talk about people.” Stop the gossiping, the judging and the hating.
Congratulations Stressed! You are correct (for once) most teenagers do not have babies but unless you live under a rock, you know that many of them do have sex. So how do you propose we determine which ones have had sex and “weed” them out? It cannot be done so I would suggest simply dispensing with the tradition of homecoming queen. It is the only fair thing to do and we all know that you are all about being fair.
I did not truly expect you to be able to follow my logic as your understanding it is predicated upon your being able to think logically and reason at a level higher than the town gossip.
I did not say you suggested abortion. However, your previous comments can only be construed as such. Furthermore, you do it again in your latest posting. So let me see if I can “break it down” for you.
Many teenage girls have sex. (Fact!)
Some of these teenage girls get pregnant. (Fact!)
An unwed teenage mother sets herself apart from her peers in a negative way. (Your assumption!)
Therefore, the only way the unfortunate (if you can really call it that) girl that gets pregnant can save her reputation is to not have the baby. (The only logical conclusion that can be drawn based upon your assumption!)
The only way to not have the baby is to terminate the pregnancy. (Fact!)
voice of reason,
Apparently you think that you are so intelligent and that everyone that won't agree with you is ignorant. That's OK if you want to believe that because you are free to do so. It is my opinion that you are the type of people that's driving this country down. You must be a liberal because you think fun sex is fine and if you get knocked-up just abort or commit murder to the unborn baby. Perhaps you consider sex as a teenager is OK. That makes a good role model if you're grooming a whore. What's wrong with teaching kids morals rather than the ABCs of screwing. This might be another reason there is no respect anywhere now. The boys are being taught girls are just a bit of tail and girls learn they need to just give it up.
I guess God was booted out of school so Satan could teach the young girls how to f***. I guess when we all become smart like you are we shouldn't consider any other opinions because we will know that it's impossible to be wrong. Geeze I hope I never get as smart as you. I understand why the jack ass is the democratic mascot now.
Sounds to me like voice of reason is very intelligent. And..."i", you sound ignorant whether you are agreeing with VOR or not. I can't find anywhere in VOR's statements where he or she stated "fun sex is fine and if you get knocked up, just abort or commit murder to the unborn baby." Most people I know that actually do have morals don't use the filthy language you used in your 1:01 posting. So,"i"...before you question anyone else's morals, take a good look at your own. And please, have someone teach you some manners. VOR, you win this blog battle!!!
Voice of Reason has NOT won this battle. All she is doing is showing everyone how stupid and IGNORANT she really is! I agree with stress, anxiety& depression 100%!!! Voice of Reason just needs to shut the h*** up with all that dumb a** Sh** coming out of her mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've come to find out that there is only a little percentage of right minded people in this crazy little town and that DON'T enclude "Voice of Dumb ass reasons!!"
I'm entitled to my opinion which is of "reasons" comments.
"Birds of a feather ......"
And yes I did use strong language only because when you're polite to an addressee trying so hard to express a point, without attention getting strong words, the comment is a waste.
And, I don't have to question my morals - I know that I have them. I also have manners and I respect other people. Even you mimi. You are entitled to your opinion about me even though you don't know me. It is comment related.
We have major issues to deal with and it all starts with what people like us teach kids today. So, my opinion once again, which you don't have to agree with, is that many people teaching morals are failing in the worst way.
face the FACTS VOR is right
As far as a your comment S,A,D 17 year olds with toddlers are not role models for other teenagers...would she have been a good role model if she had an abortion are gave it. I think she would make a good role model because she is willing to deal with her problems and just not get reid of them
For all of you bring god in to this blog "let him who as not sined throw the stone" and all you people are throwing stone at this girl.
The issue being discussed has gone beyond the initial "homecoming queen crowned..."
I'm not attempting to put this single individual down. I'm addressing the topic of changing the rules and teenage sex with its potential drawbacks. Also, about what's going on today in school.
If I have been misunderstood and if the young lady thinks my comments are directed at her - I'm sorry they were not. They are aimed at a generalized issue of kids having kids and school issues with that topic.
With that in mind, if VOR is right and the kids start eliminating themselves, then by her comments, that is satisfactory too.
VOR,
I am glad you see yourself as the only educated person on this blog. I am also glad you have plenty of time on your hands for your fact finding missions. like others have said , you can list your facts and opinions but you are still wrong. Who really cares when the rule book was written. You missed the point. Have you any common sense? By the way, this is a blog not a dictionary.
Let me spell this out for you.....
UNWED TEENAGE MOTHERS ARE NOT A ROLE MODEL FOR ANYONE, OTHER THAN OTHER UNWED TEEN MOMS.
Your vocabulary word for the day is MORALS. Pleae provide us all with the definition. Thanks.
Ok everyone I give up. Its ok for babies to have babies...just as long as they stay in school. That makes them great role models. Yes thats who I want my daughter to look at and say " i want to grow up to be just like her, Maybe just maybe I will be the homecomming queen. It dont matter that her mommy and daddy still have to take care of her and her child and that the taxpayers of lamar co probably fund the rest.......hummmm?
VOR and Kissy Kissy you both (or one) need a lesson in morals. Please dont give out any more Facts or links for me to look at....I could care less. You have proven nothing to me nor made any real point yourself, other than I think your are loose....
please everyone shut up! if you think your daughter is going to look at teen age mothers, still in school, making good grades,doing the right thing, and trying hard. Just because she has a kid doesnt mean she isnt a role model...she is a role model to try hard and do everything in your power to make things work the way she wants them too!! If your daughter thinks well look at her shes on homecoming court people must like her and she is smart..I think I am going to be just like her, let me go get pregnant...WRONG! If she thinks that then she already messed up because thats NOT smart...duh!! IF she says wow shes on homecoming court people like her and shes smart and she wants to make something big out of herself plus she has a kid...thats awesome I want to make something big out of myself no matter what life throws at me. DING DING shes got it!! The girl could of been on homecoming court and everyone would of been ok with it and happy for her if she would of only had an abortion and then it would be ok because no one would of none anything about her every getting pregnant or having sex!! I appreciate my earlier comment being erased...unlike some of these ppl I put alot of thought into what I had to say..because this blog has really meant something to me even though i know and plenty of people will tell me it shouldnt..
What can I say but, wrong, wrong, wrong!
If it will help, I will type s l o w l y so that you may understand.
I am not a liberal. I am a staunch conservative and I don’t align myself with any political party.
I have tried to keep my personal feelings and opinions out of the conversation and base my argument solely on the facts (something that actually exists or can be verified). However, others have chosen to ignore the facts, make wild accusations, resort to name calling and spewing foul language. These are the types of things people do when they are unable to provide any real evidence to support their point. It’s an act of desperation rather than trying to gain attention as you put it. I have certainly gotten your attention and without resorting to such immature tactics. Now if I could just get you to listen, not only to me but to yourself. You have offered absolutely no facts or evidence to support your point. None! Your argument is based on your emotions and opinions and nothing else.
Nowhere did I ever say I supported premarital teen sex. Nor did I ever say I supported abortion. I abhor abortion and know it to be wrong. However, the practice is legal in this country and no amount of whining and bellyaching on mine or anyone else’s part is going to change that. Now before you jump all over me for that let me explain. The fact that abortion (or anything for that matter) is legal does not make it right. In fact, the evidence supports just the opposite but a majority of the judges who have ruled upon this have chosen to ignore the facts. What we must do, as the possessors of the truth, is explain to the others how they are wrong in their perception of truth. The difficult part of that is, no one likes being told they are wrong and even in the face of overwhelming evidence they will continue to deny the truth and ignore the facts. So I believe what you meant to say is that you didn’t want further facts or links from me because you could NOT care less rather than you could care less. You see, saying you could care less implies that you do care and therefore could care less.
Now back to the unwed mother. The rules support her as do the facts. She has done nothing that should cause her to be excluded from what amounts to no more than a beauty / popularity contest. Who is / was hurt by her participation? No one!
I never said she was a role model for having premarital teen sex. I said she was a role model for accepting the responsibility of motherhood and not letting it deter her from continuing her education. What would you have her do? Should she drop out of school and work at McDonald’s for minimum wage to support herself and the child? Should she just give up on all her hopes and dreams? Maybe someday she can get her GED and work her way up to night shift manager. No! She has done the right thing, the honorable thing, the moral thing. What is truly wrong with this country are those who, unlike her, would drop out and not try to do better for themselves and allow the government to fund their lives. Heaven help those children that see you as role model and believe as you believe.
As for you definition of morals, here you go. Morals are an ideal code of conduct; something we should strive for but something we can never attain because we are imperfect. Was she wrong for having premarital sex? Yes. Is she perfect? No. Is she trying to do the right thing? Definitely. Should she be punished or excluded? No. Do we have the right to pass judgment upon her? No.
There is no evidence or facts needed here. Again, you miss the point. What truth is being denied? The truth as you see it? Basically your facts are really only your opinion on this matter. Another thing, you keep bringing up abortion. Who has said she should have aborted? Certainly not me. Now let me type slowly for you and please try to understand my view. I know a lot of kids have sex. Some end up pregnant, some dont. Some choose abortion, some dont. Some stay in school, some dont. I am glad this girl choose to have her baby and stay in school. That is great. That is the right thing to do. She made the right choice. OK...I agree. However, now that she is a mother, rulebook or not, she should NOT have been allowed to represent LAMAR CO HIGH SCHOOL. There is no link that I can provide for you to back up my "truth" as I see it. Yeah she stood up there and showed the other kids that "its ok." No matter what kind of spin you want to put on it, that is the bottom line. In the real world society does pass judgment. Always has and always will. It use to help keep people in check but now there are too many freaking liberals in this world that want to pat everyone on the back and sing kumbayah. Lets see how many reasons we can find to try to make something right, just so no ones feelings are hurt.
Morals- relating to good behavior and what is right and wrong. STANDARDS or behavior and beliefs in right and wrong.
Represent- to be a picture, sign or example of something.
Representative- Someone chosen to represent others. Being an example of what others are like.
Standards- Of the usual or accepted kind. Most widly used or best of its kind. How good something is. Something used for measuring or judging the quality of something.
OPINION- WHAT YOU BELIEVE OR THINK ABOUT SOMETHING.
LIBERAL- Generous and tolerant.
Now, my opinion is that some of you are liberals who have developed your on set of standards,opinions, and morals. If you want to belive that it was ok, I dont care. You have your opinion and I have mine..... But we all know what they say about opinions so please dont try to educate me about that.
Of course you would say no facts or evidence is needed since you have none to offer. Again, not only have you missed the point, the fact is, you have no point! The facts I have presented are not my opinion. They are documented standards and since you defined the word you should understand that. In addition, you have further supported my side of this issue once more in spite of yourself; further proving you neither understand the issue nor can you properly or adequately support your own side. You define representative as “someone chosen to represent others. Being an example of what others are like”. Although the unwed mother was free to nominate herself, she was “chosen” by popular vote to represent the school. Apparently, neither the Board of Education nor the student body of the high school share in your twisted view of reality. Moreover, no one asked for your opinion (WHAT YOU BELIEVE OR THINK ABOUT SOMETHING) on this matter. This blog was originally started to discuss the injured player and the newly crowned homecoming queen. SAD chose to turn the discussion into a bashing of the unwed mother. I felt compelled to stand up for the young woman and inject a “voice of reason” into what was becoming nothing more than an unprovoked, uncalled for, unjustified, name calling hissy fit.
Once again, no one is making excuses nor finding reasons to justify anything. Furthermore, it is not about preserving someone’s feelings. It is about doing what is right; doing what we are taught to do in the Bible, forgive.
You accuse me of putting words in the mouths of others. I do not believe that I have. I have just questioned what others have said and shown that what they actually said contradicts what they espouse to believe. So with that, I ASK you, are you saying that forgiving this young woman makes me a liberal? When Jesus forgave the adulterous woman, was he being a “freaking liberal”? No. His point was that those who were judging her and preparing to stone her were hypocrites that had no right to either judge or cast that first stone. Most people stop there when trying to justify their wrongdoings. Since I am not trying to justify anything I will continue on with the story. He then told the young woman to go and sin no more. Most people forget this part and instead just continue to sin thinking they will once more be forgiven. It is these people that do not deserve forgiveness. It is these young girls that continue to have baby after baby (or abortion after abortion) with no remorse or regret that are not to be looked up to. I do not believe anyone does.
Of course no one can go and sin NO more. However, they can turn from sin and attempt to live a righteous life. This appears to be what this unwed mother has done. I cannot attest to what is in her heart or to her religious beliefs but it appears that she is trying to do the right thing and for this she is a role model.
If you are going to use absence of sin as a criteria for becoming homecoming queen then you have hereby disqualified all past, present and future nominees and winners. Sorry, Ashley! The wicked witch has stolen your crown.
VOR, I did not choose to turn this blog into a unprovoked bashing or the unwed mother. I merely stated that I wasn't crazy about an unwed mother being on the homecoming court and questioned the schools guidelines that allowed it.
I stated my opinions in a relevent blog (this is the homecoming queen blog)however not everyone will agree with them and this is ok, because they are my own opinions just as your opinions and/or your interpretations of fact are your own.
Finally, I believe you started name calling with your very first post, so what makes you any different from those you wish to enlighten?
I hate that she made a mistake at her young age. But this day in time thier really are no exscuses, Think about it safety is advertised on the TV, Schools,Health Department, Other Family Health Care Centers, on the safety of safe Sex, unwed preganacys, In some schools they even provide the condoms ect. So I hate that she has made this choice. And I do commend her ,But Rules are made to follow not to be broken.
VOR,
I believe she was saying that you are a liberal because you see no moral issues with what has occured. No one has put this girl down, just the situation. I also believe you are twisting everthing everyone says to try to justify your opinion. Where did anyone say that someone needed to be free of sin to run for homecoming queen? You act like people think this is the only girl haveing sex....You need to wake up from dream land. You must spend hours reading and re-reading these post to see how many ways you can interpet them. Your so called facts are irrelevant. Yeah, this girl didnt break any "school" rules but SO WHAT! You might as well be blowing smoke into the wind. The bottom line is that the school board should update its rule book (which is a fact.) If infractions such as not following the dress code prohibits someone from running for homecomming queen then what kind of infraction should be placed on an unwed teen mother????????? How bout using some common sense.
Red, I believe you were opposing my position but, in actuality, you have supported it. Rules are made to be followed and so they were. No rules were violated. Hence, no one has a valid argument against the unwed mother’s participation.
Once again, no one is making excuses. I do agree, however, that there is no reason for the number of teen pregnancies in today’s “enlightened” and “informed” society. I would go a step further and say that we should not need TV ads, condom distributions and the like to curb teen pregnancy. It should be common sense that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy. Nor should we need warning labels on cigarettes or a cup of McDonald’s coffee, for that matter. However, we live in a society where no one is willing to accept responsibility for their own actions. Once again, the fact that this unwed mother has taken responsibility for her actions and is trying to finish school (including attending college as her bio stated as she walked across the field homecoming night) further demonstrates that she is worthy of praise and certainly a role model to us all.
As for my not seeing the moral issue involved; I have stated that I do not condone premarital sex, teen or otherwise. It is a sin and morally wrong. Judging others is also morally wrong. Sin is sin. There are no big sins and little sins.
What I said was that either the unwed mother’s detractors wanted her excluded because she had had premarital sex or because she had given birth. If I am not “twisting” what I have read, then it was not because she gave birth. That just leaves premarital sex. If we are going to agree that other teen girls are having sex then how can we determine who of them are worthy of becoming homecoming queen. The only “solution” I see being presented is to exclude those with a child because there is “proof positive” that the act occurred. Therefore, eventually (if not already) some girl that has had premarital sex (but not a baby) is going to run for and quite possibly become homecoming queen.
My point is that you cannot discriminate for what has happened in the past. You must look at the here and now. This girl is facing her responsibility, and will “pay” for her “mistake” for the rest of her life. She is currently doing the right thing and is a good student. As for the dress code violation, the rules state that the student should have good grades and be in good standing. Breaking rules removes you from good standing. If you break the rules during the time period that can be brought into question (that being the year you are seeking to participate) then you cannot participate. Had the dress code violation taken place last year, then it would not have been an issue this year. I would agree that if a girl, while running for or serving as homecoming queen, became pregnant or broke the rules, then she should be disqualified. However, at the current time, the unwed mother has good grades, is in good standing and was chosen by her peers.
You say my facts are irrelevant and that the rule book should be changed but yet it has been changed and very recently I might add. I do not know if the portion concerning students with children was the part changed but if it had needed changing it would have been changed at that time. It has certainly been changed since I attended school so they obviously saw the error in their thinking. I would imagine they used...uhhh...what did you call it...common sense.
By the way it doesn't really take long to debunk a bunch of bunk. I have merely pointed out all the inconsistencies and contradictions that have been posted. Nor does it take long to write a response to such nonsense when you actually understand the issue, have logically chosen the right side and can support it.
One other thing, why was it assumed that I am female, because I am not.
blah blah blah....what contridictions are you, brilliant one, referring to? I think everyone knows and UNDERSTANDS that she didnt break any school rules. There is no argument there. With that being said to you again, I hope you understand that some of us still do not think she should have been allowed to "run" for homecoming queen. THIS OPINION IS BASED ON ETHICS alone. She is not a "normal" representation of a teenager. Yeah, a lot of them have sex, but a lot of them dont end up pregnant. The homecoming queen represents the school. The school is part of the community.You say she is a role model because she has accepted responsibility for her actions...there are a lot of people in alot of situitations that have to step up to the plate. Thats life. You say she was nominated by her friends, that just goes to show you thier perspective on this whole issue. Its no big deal to them and that is sad. By the way how many votes did she have to have to be nominated? Just curious. Im sure you have the answer.
Everything presented as "evidence" that the unwed mother should not be allowed to participate has been a contradiction.
I can see where your problem lies. You cannot seem to decide what you are supporting therefore, you cannot explain what you are saying leading to the impossibility of your ever defending your point because you do not have one.
No one has ever clearly explained why she should be excluded. I have narrowed it to two possibilities:
1. She had premarital sex.
2. She had a child.
Please make your choice now (or suggest another reason).
Now it is simple logic.
If the reason is because she had premarital sex then, according to your own admission, many girls have to be excluded. How then is it to be decided who is eligible. Very few girls are going to admit to having premarital sex, especially if it is going to lead to their disqualification and subsequent bashing by the high and mighty, holier than thou crowd. So to be "fair", as was the original argument presented, everyone must be excluded because there is just no way of telling who has and who has not had premarital sex. If that is not logical (and indeed it is not logical) the only other option is to not use premarital sexual activity as a criteria. In addition, as I explained, there are no big sins and little sins, only sin. Therefore, the
argument could be made that no one is indeed worthy, for we have all sinned. That is both logical and ethical.
If the reason is because she had a child then someone needs to explain to me when and why child birth became unethical. As I
believe I have proven, terminating a pregnancy is the unethical thing. Yet, according to your logic, if a pregnancy is
terminated, then a girl would be eligible, for there would be no child nor proof of premarital sex. If that is not logical
(once again it is not logical) the only other option is to have the child. That is both logical and ethical. Even more ethical
would be for the girl to take responsibility for the child and for herself.
Therefore, both reasons are illogical. Unless you have another reason, then you have no argument. The only logical thing to do is base eligibility on the girl's current actions and behavior, her abidance to the rules and her popularity. I do not have the numbers you requested concerning the voting but she was selected from a field of nominees making it to the top 5. Additionally, I have it on good authority, that she placed a close second for the crown itself. I think it would have been far more interesting had she won. Then it would have been a matter of if she would have been "allowed" to be crowned.
So it all comes down to logic. You cannot just say it is based on ethics if the ethics you are basing it upon do not make sense. I guess I should understand being that I am an educator and can attest to the fact that most people have a problem thinking logically. They cannot think for themselves and lack deductive reasoning skills and are therefore left to go
blindly on what they have been told and are only able to regurgitate inaccuracies. Hence the vast and growing liberal population. They would argue that they question authority but only because they have been told to do so and are told what to ask.
I found it amusing that I was accused of being a liberal but then another "voice of reason" suggests passing out condoms as a
solution to the teen pregnancy problem. That is just giving the teen permission to go have sex. I guess you see this as a good idea since you see no problem with them having sex just as long as they don't end up pregnant. So your reasoning isn't really based on ethics after all. Your arugment is based on talking in circles. The problem with going in a circle is that you never get anywhere whereas I get to the point.
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